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Old 01-03-2010, 09:31 PM   #31 (permalink)
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...Rashad can take a good punch. It took several of Machida's punches to finally put Rashad away. Takedowns score points and establish Octagon control. Putting the fight where they want it to be...
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:32 PM   #32 (permalink)
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with a takedown, you have the advantage over the fighter which can lead to exhaustion of the other fighter which helps you take control of them letting you go to any spot you want to inflict the maximum amount of damage
Ideally, yes!

But in reality, we are too often seeing takedowns more as a way to negate your opponents offense and kill the clock, with little to no damage inflicted.
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:37 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Can do a lot of damage, but in this case, didn't. The fight was scored correctly with the existing criteria, but I still feel the scoring system needs tweaking.
I disagree. I think it only added to the cumulative exhaustion Thiago showed in the 3rd round. I've heard from many fighters, that slams take a lot out of you, and those were big slams last night.
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I disagree. I think it only added to the cumulative exhaustion Thiago showed in the 3rd round. I've heard from many fighters, that slams take a lot out of you, and those were big slams last night.
Ok, that's certainly possible. And it's not that I don't think damaging slams should score for you, they surely should. But I think they are often scored disproportionately.
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They are, but not in this fight. Thiago didn't get the oppritunity to land anything outside of a 1 minute flurry in the 3rd. Hence, mission accomplished for Rashad.
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They are, but not in this fight. Thiago didn't get the oppritunity to land anything outside of a 1 minute flurry in the 3rd. Hence, mission accomplished for Rashad.
Ah, but see, that's the problem for me...Rashad does 1, maybe two decent slams in a round and then is content to just negate Thiago's offense via LnP and clinch to kill the round. Never has Thiago in real danger. To me, it's more of a "fighting not to lose" strategy as opposed to "fighting to win". To me, this is not compelling. To me, the winner should be the guy who 1) inflicted the most damage, 2) had his opponent in the most danger (KO or submission, 3) made his opponent tap out, or 4) any combination of the above and I want to see a scoring system that can reflect this.

My head agrees that Rashad outscored Thiago. My gut tells me that Rashad didn't actually win that fight. That's the best way I can explain it.

Ok, I'm spent on this topic.
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Nothing, but if you can stop the opponent by do anything to you the entire round by laying on him unfortunately you win.

The fight for sure should've been a draw, but no way 3 judges score a round 10-8, especially considering Thiago didn't really dominate it, a la GSP-Fitch round 1

I love how you ignore my question I previously posted and continue to debate a take down absolutely is worth something in MMA why would you respond that it isnt.....

I'm not sure you know what your talking about but those take downs in the 1st and 2nd scored in the judges eye's as they are supposed too.....remember Chuck taking Wanderlei down at the beginning of the 3rd in their fight...yeah he did that cuz he really wanted to wrestle with Wandy.....he did it for quick points scored in the 3rd....
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Ah, but see, that's the problem for me...Rashad does 1, maybe two decent slams in a round and then is content to just negate Thiago's offense via LnP and clinch to kill the round. Never has Thiago in real danger. To me, it's more of a "fighting not to lose" strategy as opposed to "fighting to win". To me, this is not compelling. To me, the winner should be the guy who 1) inflicted the most damage, 2) had his opponent in the most danger (KO or submission, 3) made his opponent tap out, or 4) any combination of the above and I want to see a scoring system that can reflect this.

My head agrees that Rashad outscored Thiago. My gut tells me that Rashad didn't actually win that fight. That's the best way I can explain it.

Ok, I'm spent on this topic.
I agree, but mostly all combat sports are scored round by round and there's no way you can give Thiago the win based on that scoring. Rashad fought like shit but he did enough to win.
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