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why is it that wrestlers cant stop the wall walk

Saturday night I found myself yelling at the TV in 3 different fights. Evans vs Silva being one of them.

i dont understand this for example when silva would get up he would put his bak against the cage and the cage to walk his way back to his feet. When saw this happen in 3 different fights and several times yelled at the TV pull his legs and circle toward the cage. if you do this while they are moving toward the cage you can stop it before it happens.

am i the only one that sees this?

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Yea you are the only one who noticed............. kidding


I wondered the same during Evans Silva. The first 12 minutes of that fight were Evans gets the takedown, Evans does no damage, Silva gets back up then repeat.

I wanted Evans to win the fight but when the third round started I no longer cared who won.

Isn't Silva a BJJ blackbelt, why no submission attempts????

They both looked unimpressive last night.
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Yea you are the only one who noticed............. kidding


I wondered the same during Evans Silva. The first 12 minutes of that fight were Evans gets the takedown, Evans does no damage, Silva gets back up then repeat.

I wanted Evans to win the fight but when the third round started I no longer cared who won.

Isn't Silva a BJJ blackbelt, why no submission attempts????

They both looked unimpressive last night.
Agreed pretty trashy fight overall. Radhad did just enough to win the fight with the takedowns while Silva was being way more gunshy than he usually is. With performances like that both would get absolutely killed by Shogun and Machida in title fight. I wonder if getting his lights shut down for the first time by Machida affected Rashad's choise of gameplan against Silva...

Anyway, assuming Rashad vs. Rampage -fight is next I really hope Rashad comes with a proper game plan, because Rampage has great wrestling (Re: Hendo fight) and arguably just as dangerous (although less technical) striking as Silva does. Basically with a perfomance like that I see Rampage knocking Rashad out pretty quick.

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Agreed pretty trashy fight overall. Radhad did just enough to win the fight with the takedowns while Silva was being way more gunshy than he usually is. With performances like that both would get absolutely killed by Shogun and Machida in title fight. I wonder if getting his lights shut down for the first time by Machida affected Rashad's choise of gameplan against Silva...

Anyway, assuming Rashad vs. Rampage -fight is next I really hope Rashad comes with a proper game plan, because Rampage has great wrestling (Re: Hendo fight) and arguably just as dangerous (although less technical) striking as Silva does. Basically with a perfomance like that I see Rampage knocking Rashad out pretty quick.
I agree with everything here except that Rampage has less technical striking. Rampage has some of the best boxing at LHW, sure he isnt a complete striker because he doesnt throw kicks at all. But he is a more technical striker than Thiago Silva who has just shown that he is a brawler so far in the UFC.
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Way to hijack a thread guys. . .


I'm not sure why alot of fighters find it hard to stop the wall walk, but i'm sure theres valid reasons. The only point i can think is that if you do grab the legs and circle towards the cage, youre losing alot of control over the upper body of your opponent, as youre going to be shifting your weight to the side, so maybe its easier to be swept? I really cant offer more than that. . .
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I'm not sure why alot of fighters find it hard to stop the wall walk, but i'm sure theres valid reasons. The only point i can think is that if you do grab the legs and circle towards the cage, youre losing alot of control over the upper body of your opponent, as youre going to be shifting your weight to the side, so maybe its easier to be swept? I really cant offer more than that. . .
Yeah I wish I had the chance to actually TRAIN in a cage, consistently. You just can't replicate that kinda thing well on the mats or in a ring, especially since most places don't have mats right up to the wall and tend to have an open space.

I think you're right though, seems logical. It seems whenever there's no weight and pressure on someone's upper body keeping them down, it's easy to use that freedom and upper body strength to roll or sweep. That seems to be the most common mistake in top control, to not have enough weight on the opponent's upper body and allow then to just raise up and twist.
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Looked like Rashad is moving towards a GSP game plan.
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I'm pretty sure he's trying to do that, it's just difficult to do. You seriously think Rashad Evans hasn't trained this?

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Yea you are the only one who noticed............. kidding


I wondered the same during Evans Silva. The first 12 minutes of that fight were Evans gets the takedown, Evans does no damage, Silva gets back up then repeat.

I wanted Evans to win the fight but when the third round started I no longer cared who won.

Isn't Silva a BJJ blackbelt, why no submission attempts????

They both looked unimpressive last night.
Yes he is a BJJ black belt, but in order for him to use his BJJ, Rashad would have to be doing something other than laying on top of him. Cant take advantage of openings when your opponent does not try to do anything on the ground.
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