Originally Posted by Beeno
Not for Ken but Forrest stuffed nearly 6 takedowns from Tito.
Either way the argument is not about respecting Tito. It's about this thing where Tito is considered a legendary fighter by some. He is overrated, not under-respected.
Yes, Forrest stuffed practically all the takedowns in the later rounds, but did Tito need to take him down at that point? No. It was a close fight but Tito won. Regardless. (let's avoid a tangent about who won that fight and whether or not Forrest was actually landing those later round punches or just hitting Tito's arms or not)
Tito is a legendary fighter. just as his former rival Ken Shamrock was/is "legendary".
Does being legendary mean you've beaten the best?
Tito's fought some stiff competition and come up short against specifically Liddell and Randy.
Losing to those 2 guys doesn't make you B level. It makes you human.
You'd have to be an elite fighter and fight a perfect fight to beat those 2 guys.
Tito is an elite fighter but he didn't fight perfectly against either of those 2.
I'd still list him as an A fighter who just can't get over the hump.
B level is somebody who's never even had a shot at the top and isn't going to, but who doesn't lose to the younger fighters... a journeyman to steal a phrase from other arenas.
Tito is by no means a journeyman fighter.
Let the debate contiune...