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Old 01-11-2010, 02:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Royce Gracie Dedication

I know he is a legend, but re-watching (is that even a word) the old UFC fights its cool to see some of the moves that no one ever saw before get utilized like the guard, fighting off your back, arm bars, chokes, etc... now EVERYONE uses them but it was cool to listen to announcers and such be wowed initially and Gracie fought much larger guys than himself back in 1993-1995. I bet in his prime 26-27, he would still crush just about anyone including Hughes. Not the 40 year old Gracie but the 26 year old 175 pounder. We can agree to disagree on that matter but one thing is for sure he is a true pioneer of this sport and maybe THE pioneer.


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Old 01-11-2010, 03:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree he is truly THE Pioneer of MMA..
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Old 01-11-2010, 03:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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yea, he was the prioneer of the UFC and MMA , but there were very few people who learned MMA back then, most people just wanted to go out and brawl with someone.

I am not sure about the stats, but I can almost bet any money that there wasnt more then 2 blackbelts or a belt even close to it back then. now you see a few black belts and belts close to the black belt in almost every division.

I guess what im trying to say is that his skills were far beyond what anyone had at that time. dont get me wrong, I am not trying to take anything away from him. I guess he was what GSP/BJ/Silva are of this time, almost unstoppable and far ahead of anyone else.

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Old 01-11-2010, 03:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I know he is a legend, but re-watching (is that even a word) the old UFC fights its cool to see some of the moves that no one ever saw before get utilized like the guard, fighting off your back, arm bars, chokes, etc... now EVERYONE uses them but it was cool to listen to announcers and such be wowed initially and Gracie fought much larger guys than himself back in 1993-1995. I bet in his prime 26-27, he would still crush just about anyone including Hughes. Not the 40 year old Gracie but the 26 year old 175 pounder. We can agree to disagree on that matter but one thing is for sure he is a true pioneer of this sport and maybe THE pioneer.


I agree to an extent, I believe a prime Gracie would have beaten a lot of today's fighters under those rules in that weight class.

I wrote about it on this thread http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/69991-ufc-unleashed-2.html

Also: GI Gracie > No Gi Gracie

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Todays fighters are to well rounded and frankly your average black belt today is superior to Royce in terms of BJJ, BJJ is still relatively young as a sport and is very much still evolving, even a prime Royce Gracie would not even be relevant in a elite level grappling tournament.


I would also like point out Royce was hardly the pioneer of MMA, Sambo and Vale Tudo already existed as did Pancrease, Gracie wasn`t the pioneer of MMA, he was just the first real superstar of the sport. Elvis Presely may have been the king of rock and roll but that doesn`t mean he created it or is the pioneer of it.
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Todays fighters are to well rounded and frankly your average black belt today is superior to Royce in terms of BJJ, BJJ is still relatively young as a sport and is very much still evolving, even a prime Royce Gracie would not even be relevant in a elite level grappling tournament.


I would also like point out Royce was hardly the pioneer of MMA, Sambo and Vale Tudo already existed as did Pancrease, Gracie wasn`t the pioneer of MMA, he was just the first real superstar of the sport. Elvis Presely may have been the king of rock and roll but that doesn`t mean he created it or is the pioneer of it.

Well I was 22 and never heard of BJJ, or fighting off your back or anything like that. After him others followed suit and MMA became more and more mainstream. But there was something spectacular about a 175 pound guy beating guys who were much larger without necessarily throwing a punch. He was a 4th degree black belt in BJJ and in his prime right now, he would beat the likes of Jake Shields, Matt Hughes and Paul Daley IMO. If it matters?
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I don't think Gracie was a pioneer of MMA, he wasn't a Mixed Martial Artist, he was a BJJ practioner. He wasn't a pioneer in BJJ either, his grandfather(father?) was, but he was a pioneer in gaining BJJ awareness to the public. BJJ has grown with more and more people practicing, so obviously there are better BJJ artists out there, but there would be no BJJ if it wasn't for the Gracies make no mistake about it, they invented the style.
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Definitely popularized it
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A legend in the sport for sure, not really an MMA pioneer though since he basically only did 1 art form that no one in the early UFC's could really defend against.

He is an extremely talented fighter and will always have a place in the history books, but he is also a jerk (in interviews at least). Down here in Tampa on BTLS (radio show), the host asked how he would fare vs top guys today if he was in his prime. Royce responds by saying he could beat GSP right now at his current age....the host was still pretty cool and didn't bring up the Hughes beating but Royce just refuses to give other people much respect.

I always try to find ways to like him since one of his pupils is my BJJ instructor and he speaks highly of him....but man it's hard.
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Royce was awesome back in the day. But him saying he could beat GSP right now is just plain proposperous. The UFC wouldn't exist without him so I guess in that sense he is a mma pioneer.
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