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Old 01-13-2010, 03:32 AM   #21 (permalink)
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No the current rule is fine. Every now and then you need to have an arm snap, a leg snap or something gross happen in a fight to give the fans something to talk about and keep the word out.
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Old 01-13-2010, 07:13 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Nope

People escape armbars all the time, even when most people think the fight is over. If a fighter isnt ready to tap i beleive he deservse a chance to work his way out of it. I think Escudero did the rigth thing, first instinct was to fight his way out but tapped when he relized it wasnt gonna happen.
BTW did anyone else see Escadero tap twice, cause it looked like he tapped as soon as he was rolled over but the ref missed it and he decided to hold out a little longer berfore tapping anyway......watch it again and watch his free hand !
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Old 01-13-2010, 02:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Yeah I seen that too. I pointed it out on another thread. Rogan even says "that's a rap" when it happens.
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Old 01-13-2010, 04:21 PM   #24 (permalink)
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the reff defiantly needs to step in when it gets too dangerous. That guy probably has at least a fracture. I know it would piss off some people but these fighters need to be saved from themeless. We don't want another ken shamrock vs leon fight where he wouldn't tap and ken turned his leg around backwards.

for those who havent seen it
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plus the reffs not stopping fights and having more people having broken bones gives more fire power to the politician who speak out against the UFC.
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Old 01-13-2010, 06:01 PM   #25 (permalink)
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the reff defiantly needs to step in when it gets too dangerous. That guy probably has at least a fracture. I know it would piss off some people but these fighters need to be saved from themeless. We don't want another ken shamrock vs leon fight where he wouldn't tap and ken turned his leg around backwards.

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plus the reffs not stopping fights and having more people having broken bones gives more fire power to the politician who speak out against the UFC.
He didn't break anything. I posted a thread about it the other day. It was dumb and dangerous for him to hold on like that.

I don't think it would be good for them to implement a rule that allows refs to stop fights due to a submission hold. If a fighter is on his way out of the submission and the ref is not aware, he would still stop it. There is enough controversy over TKO stoppages, this has way more room for error.

Also, in an actual TKO situation, a lot of times the fighter cannot actually signal that they need out of the fight so the ref is the only person who can protect the fighter. In the case of an armbar, the fighters is fully aware of what is happening and can have the fight stopped whenever they want it to be stopped.
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:54 AM   #26 (permalink)
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He didn't break anything. I posted a thread about it the other day. It was dumb and dangerous for him to hold on like that.

I don't think it would be good for them to implement a rule that allows refs to stop fights due to a submission hold. If a fighter is on his way out of the submission and the ref is not aware, he would still stop it. There is enough controversy over TKO stoppages, this has way more room for error.

Also, in an actual TKO situation, a lot of times the fighter cannot actually signal that they need out of the fight so the ref is the only person who can protect the fighter. In the case of an armbar, the fighters is fully aware of what is happening and can have the fight stopped whenever they want it to be stopped.
Well said, i think there are alot of fighters out there with wins on their record they prob. wouldnt have if there were a submission stoppage rule.
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:10 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Umm... as far as I know the ref can stop the fight any time he thinks that one fighter can't continue. So basically he could step in during an armbar.
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