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Old 01-13-2010, 09:07 PM   #11 (permalink)
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because i was wondering if i should start betting money on fights; i dont want to put money on fights if a dude does great in a fight yet loses on the score cards due to "other" reasons
Or look for trends, and incorporate them into your strategy.

For example, if there are two fighters fighting and the favorite is an established fighter who doesn't "finish" fights, and neither does his opponent, you may want to side with the favorite... if that makes sense.

I'm gonna have to sort through some old results and see if I can pick up on anything now...
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Old 01-14-2010, 02:30 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Or look for trends, and incorporate them into your strategy.

For example, if there are two fighters fighting and the favorite is an established fighter who doesn't "finish" fights, and neither does his opponent, you may want to side with the favorite... if that makes sense.

I'm gonna have to sort through some old results and see if I can pick up on anything now...
What he said.

You need to incorporate this factor into your strategy.

If a fight has '3 round decision' written all over it a la Randy vs Coleman or Sherk vs Guida, think twice before betting against the odds-favorite/champion/fan-favorite/big name fighter etc..

Another factor of bias we forgot to point out is when the home town boy is fighting and it goes the distance (and the fight is very close obvi): Bisping vs Hamill, Sam Stout vs Wiman ...
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Old 01-14-2010, 12:47 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Randy vs Vera is the same case. If Vera was the one with the big name.. he'd have gotten the decision imo.
I think if VERA had actually come to fight, pushed the pace a little, and not keep being afraid to lose, and afraid to pull the trigger not only would he have gotten the decision but probably a KO/TKO.

VERA is to blame for his loss in that fight.

I think what people don't seem to realize is that the three judges sitting ringside are HOMO SAPIENS just like you and I. No more, no less. They have their own views/understanding of the fight game, and in that moment who knows what exactly they're looking at in the fight.

it is the judges DECISION on who wins the fight. Look how many of us on these message boards got split up over the SHOGUN/MACHIDA, or COUTURE/VERA fights, and are you seriously telling me that no 1 judge can see things a different way? Plus you're assuming that just because they're judges that they're intelligent/educated judges. This I doubt, is always the case.

Us fans care too much about our personal opinions, and sometimes I think WE THE FANS care more about records than the fighters. Look how upset, and quickly ready to disregard illegal blows people were after the HAMILL/JONES Fight.

My question is this; How many of you are truly stepping outside of your own opinions, and "favorite fighters" and viewing fights with an unbiased criteria? If you were doing that you would see the SHOGUN/MACHIDA fight was a close war of two technical masters that could've gone either way, and went to the champion.

If MACHIDA lost, the tables would be turned, and the situation would be the same. That's why we're having a rematch because the fight was so blatantly close.

If you view the COUTURE/VERA fight, one could say COUTURE won a decision unglamorously through octagon control, and VERA'S personal lack of engagement and activity lost him that fight. But again, we here on this board are ONLY HUMAN. And I'm sure some of you, still, and always, will see things differently.

And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Do you really want us all to just THINK/FEEL the same? Cause that would surely get boring.

EDIT: Anyone who has been watching UFC for a while now surely has heard the phrase "Don't leave it in the judges hands, because it can yield odd results." And that is a truth that has been known for a long time now.

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I think if VERA had actually come to fight, pushed the pace a little, and not keep being afraid to lose, and afraid to pull the trigger not only would he have gotten the decision but probably a KO/TKO.

VERA is to blame for his loss in that fight.

I think what people don't seem to realize is that the three judges sitting ringside are HOMO SAPIENS just like you and I. No more, no less. They have their own views/understanding of the fight game, and in that moment who knows what exactly they're looking at in the fight.

it is the judges DECISION on who wins the fight. Look how many of us on these message boards got split up over the SHOGUN/MACHIDA, or COUTURE/VERA fights, and are you seriously telling me that no 1 judge can see things a different way? Plus you're assuming that just because they're judges that they're intelligent/educated judges. This I doubt, is always the case.

Us fans care too much about our personal opinions, and sometimes I think WE THE FANS care more about records than the fighters. Look how upset, and quickly ready to disregard illegal blows people were after the HAMILL/JONES Fight.

My question is this; How many of you are truly stepping outside of your own opinions, and "favorite fighters" and viewing fights with an unbiased criteria? If you were doing that you would see the SHOGUN/MACHIDA fight was a close war of two technical masters that could've gone either way, and went to the champion.

If MACHIDA lost, the tables would be turned, and the situation would be the same. That's why we're having a rematch because the fight was so blatantly close.

If you view the COUTURE/VERA fight, one could say COUTURE won a decision unglamorously through octagon control, and VERA'S personal lack of engagement and activity lost him that fight. But again, we here on this board are ONLY HUMAN. And I'm sure some of you, still, and always, will see things differently.

And there is NOTHING wrong with that. Do you really want us all to just THINK/FEEL the same? Cause that would surely get boring.

EDIT: Anyone who has been watching UFC for a while now surely has heard the phrase "Don't leave it in the judges hands, because it can yield odd results." And that is a truth that has been known for a long time now.
BECAUSE i use LOTS AND LOTS of captalized WORDS in my ARGUMENT, i am CLEARLY THE WINNER, judges are ALWAYS right, and you are STUPID for thinking otherwise. GOOD DAY

Lol you really think machida won that fight? give me some of that ganja that youre smoking, seems to be working quite well.
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Old 01-14-2010, 04:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
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BECAUSE i use LOTS AND LOTS of captalized WORDS in my ARGUMENT, i am CLEARLY THE WINNER, judges are ALWAYS right, and you are STUPID for thinking otherwise. GOOD DAY

Lol you really think machida won that fight? give me some of that ganja that youre smoking, seems to be working quite well.
OMG I'm so terribly upset at the fact that you disapprove of the way I type! Obviously someone isn't too understanding on the point of emphasis. I never said judges are ALWAYS RIGHT, and that YOU are STUPID! What I said is judges are ONLY HUMAN.

When I left the bar I watch the fights from, I truly didn't know what to think of that fight. I was in shock, I thought I had seen the first signs of UFC turning into WWE.

On a second viewing though I scored the first 3 rounds for Machida, although 1, and 2 were razor close. And guess what? That's what the judges saw too!

You want to know why Machida won that fight? Because the judges were obviously paying more attention to boxing, and strikes to the upper body, why don't you try using your god given powers of observation, instead of just being a prick with nothing to bring to the conversation?

and No, you can't have any of this GREAT Ganja I'm smoking, although it's quite evident you need some.
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Ok. 1st of all, the purpose of this thread isnt to debate about the Machida/Shogun decision so please let's not derail it and make it the 1000th thread on the topic.

Secondly sNuFf_rEaLiTy, funny that you're suggesting I'm being biased with my opinions. I dont care for Vera (in fact I like Randy better) nor do I care for Shogun, Tom Lawlor, Hamill or Wiman.

Ftr I'm a huge GSP fan (my favorite fighter) and as I said in this thread a couple of days ago, I'd pick AS over him if they were to fight eventually (even though stylistically GSP has a decent shot at defeating him and very few people would argue that). So yeah, so much for the 'you're being biased' argument

This thread is about the judges often (not always) favoring (deliberately or not) certain types of fighters over others whenever the fight goes the distance and it's one that 'could go either way'.


Shogun vs Machida is a great example since the 1st 3 rnds were very close and they all got scored for Lyoto (2/3 judges).

The last round of Randy/Vera was very close and it went to Randy.. and so on.
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Ok. 1st of all, the purpose of this thread isnt to debate about the Machida/Shogun decision so please let's not derail it and make it the 1000th thread on the topic.

Secondly sNuFf_rEaLiTy, funny that you're suggesting I'm being biased with my opinions. I dont care for Vera (in fact I like Randy better) nor do I care for Shogun, Tom Lawlor, Hamill or Wiman.

This thread is about the judges often (not always) favoring (deliberately or not) certain types of fighters over others whenever the fight goes the distance and it's one that 'could go either way'.[/b]

Shogun vs Machida is a great example since the 1st 3 rnds were very close and they all got scored for Lyoto (2/3 judges).

The last round of Randy/Vera was very close and it went to Randy.. and so on.
First, and foremost Xerxes, in no way was I implying that you were being biased in your opinion, I was simply stating my opposing opinion. Nor did I wish to turn this into a SHOGUN/MACHIDA or COUTURE/VERA debate, I was simply using those as examples for the topic at hand.

The point of my post is; I don't agree. I don't think the judges favor other fighter (deliberately or not). I think it's all happenstance, and dependant upon what the individual judge is actually paying attention to in the fight. Not some conspiracy theorist type rhetoric.
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