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Old 01-16-2010, 10:12 PM   #31 (permalink)
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When has Kongo shown excellent striking? When he got dropped by Heath Herring? Knee'ing Mirko's junk a million times?
I think there may be few other fighters who have been beneficiaries of Kongo's (nut)striking skills.
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Old 01-16-2010, 10:28 PM   #32 (permalink)
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When has Kongo shown excellent striking? When he got dropped by Heath Herring? Knee'ing Mirko's junk a million times?
Discrediting one fighter's wins in order to validate your discrediting of another fighter's win over that fighter.. MMA math knows no bounds I guess.

And this is the shit I'm talking about . Which is why I disagree with the OP and think that Mir is not overhyped, especially around here.

Many people downplay the hell out of his last 3 wins. You can bank on it happening again when he beats the "unproven" Carwin and if he beats "rusty" Brock when he gets back too.
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Discrediting one fighter's wins in order to validate your discrediting of another fighter's win over that fighter.. MMA math knows no bounds I guess.

And this is the shit I'm talking about . Which is why I disagree with the OP and think that Mir is not overhyped, especially around here.

Many people downplay the hell out of his last 3 wins. You can bank on it happening again when he beats the "unproven" Carwin and if he beats "rusty" Brock when he gets back too.

I think you get the point.

Frank Mir is one of the most hated on MMA fighters on this and a few other forums.

No matter what he does he will be hated on by the haters.







MMA fans need to stop with all the discrediting of any fighters win in the ring/cage/octagon. Its just stupid.
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:48 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I used to say "Nog was at his weakest, he would have beat Mir at 100%" too, until I realized how stupid it sounded. No offense to Nog but all he's got going is his submissions. He may be above Mir in BJJ but Mir is close enough that they would probably just nullify each other out, keeping the fight standing. Mir's stand up is far better than Nog's. In the fights Nog has had in the UFC, I think the Couture fight is the only fight where he wasn't completely rocked and everyone knows Couture's biggest weakness has been his striking, so that's probably why. I love Nog but I think Mir would still beat him in the rematch.

As for his win over Lesnar, Mir was getting destroyed. He was lucky the fighter he was facing was very, VERY fresh to MMA and got a lucky submission. With just a little more experience in MMA, Lesnar would have beaten him which was shown in the rematch.

Kongo is considered very good and a win over him is impressive.

That being said, I believe Lesnar is the only threat to Mir in the HW class, except if Cro Cop suddenly became his old self again. All the hype around Mir is true.

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Old 01-17-2010, 07:07 AM   #35 (permalink)
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What hype? Frank mir could be the most hated MMA fighter in the bizz ,, besides kimbo and nate diaz...

All his wins are downplayed lol...

For me, he has already proven not just good groundskills but Incredible ground skills,, i believe better then Big Nogs ground skills..

He is working on the standup which is good,, if he wants to be a huge thread he has to work on his wrestling.!
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:40 PM   #36 (permalink)
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you know what, i agree with pretty much everything in that post

as good as mir is, i think he is still from the old school of fighters. JDS and guys who have similar attributes (speed, power, technique on the feet, good enough on the ground to stay out of trouble) are the future of the division imo
Couldn't disagree more as far as Mir goes. I do agree that Junior and others have a bright future. But Frank was in his early 20s when he started in the UFC and is not yet 30. He is from the old school crowd, but has aged and evolved well with the new talent, and in most cases is still a step ahead of them.

As for the OP. I'm not sure what you're talking about, especially if you are referring to this forum. There are a lot of Mir fans, but as far as blind admiration to the supposed "greatest thing at HW"... I haven't seen that at all.

Frank is an incredibly talented fighter who has proven that he desires to stay at the top and can do so. Something I have not seen from the beloved Fedor. (And yes I know he hasn't lost, but jumping over to Strikeforce is no proving you want to stay at the top)

And one other thing, for the love of GOD! Get off the Nog was dead in that fight BS! It's getting old, Nog has to much honor to make BS excuses, and he doesn't need other people doing it for him.
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And one other thing, for the love of GOD! Get off the Nog was dead in that fight BS! It's getting old, Nog has to much honor to make BS excuses, and he doesn't need other people doing it for him.

Just for the record, Nog had Staph infection for almost his entire training camp, and he had a torn ACL during his fight that he had surgery on afterwards. I don't see how those are BS excuses.
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Just for the record, Nog had Staph infection for almost his entire training camp, and he had a torn ACL during his fight that he had surgery on afterwards. I don't see how those are BS excuses.
Yeah that razor thin five round split decision could have definitely gone the other way if Nog was healthy..

They might not be "BS" excuses in that they're probably true but they're excuses none the less and that fight was total slaughter.
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Couldn't disagree more as far as Mir goes. I do agree that Junior and others have a bright future. But Frank was in his early 20s when he started in the UFC and is not yet 30. He is from the old school crowd, but has aged and evolved well with the new talent, and in most cases is still a step ahead of them.

As for the OP. I'm not sure what you're talking about, especially if you are referring to this forum. There are a lot of Mir fans, but as far as blind admiration to the supposed "greatest thing at HW"... I haven't seen that at all.

Frank is an incredibly talented fighter who has proven that he desires to stay at the top and can do so. Something I have not seen from the beloved Fedor. (And yes I know he hasn't lost, but jumping over to Strikeforce is no proving you want to stay at the top)

And one other thing, for the love of GOD! Get off the Nog was dead in that fight BS! It's getting old, Nog has to much honor to make BS excuses, and he doesn't need other people doing it for him.

ok fair enough ill give you that, i probably didnt word it correctly. I think the future champs of every division will have power,speed,agility and a high level of technical striking.

Mir has power but will never possess the other attributes.

future champs will have enough ground hold their own, but k-1 level striking IMO
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Yeah that razor thin five round split decision could have definitely gone the other way if Nog was healthy..

They might not be "BS" excuses in that they're probably true but they're excuses none the less and that fight was total slaughter.

Yeah, having no mobility and being terribly sick couldn't possibly make one fighter look way better... btw did you catch Shogun vs Forrest?
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