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dav35 01-16-2010 02:41 PM

Mir hype
 
OK, I will admit it; Iím not the biggest Mir fan. I think heís an entertaining fighter with good jui jitsu, but I donít understand the blind admiration for this guy. Heís downright hilarious with his trash talking, so that doesn't bother me. I can get over someoneís personality and respect the fighter. I respect him as a fighter, but I donít understand the extent of the Mir hype. People make him out to be the biggest thing in the HW division. People say that Brock and Cain are overhyped and that Mir is a proven MMA veteran with better skills.

Letís be honest. What notable victories does Mir have? Lesnar (who people say is overrated), Nog (who was in a weakened state), Kongo (who has notable victories over a shell of CCÖ.???), and Sylvia (who doesnít stand a chance in todayís UFC HW lineup).

Lesnar Ė Mir looked awful in both fights against Lesnar. He pulled off a lucky (the stand up when Lesnar was 10 seconds away from ending the fight was BS) sub against an MMA newbie in Lesnar in the first fight. People say that he was tagging Brock in the second fight before the knees, but if you watch the replays he missed every single strike leading up to the short elbow and missed flying knee (which was an act of desperation). Lesnar has dominated 95% of their time in the Octagon.

Nog Ė I believe this fight is a much different fight if Nog is healthy. Will Mir win the rematch? Possibly, but Nog is better on the ground and is no slouch when it comes to striking. This is a touch matchup for Mir.

Kongo Ė I will admit that I was surprised at how this fight went. Kongo made one HUGE mistake that ended up costing him the fight. I donít think that Mirís standup is superior to Kongo, but Mir made Kongo pay. Hands down, Mir won this fight. You canít take that away from him. However, Kongo isnít even a top 10 fighter. Mir was expected to win this fight. Kongo was coming off a loss to Cain.

I believe that Mir will continue to be a force in the HW division, but I donít see him dominating the division. He has A LOT of trouble with strong wrestlers. I think the fight against Carwin will be a big test for Mir, but Iíd be more interested in seeing him fight Cain or JDS. Thereís no way Mir wins a standup battle against JDS, and from what I understand, JDS has some good BJJ. If Mir wants to dominate the HW division, heís going to need to MAJORLY improve his TDD and wrestling skills. The HW division is under attack from large wrestlers, and Mir is going to have to confront this at some point. Otherwise, he will be nothing more than a gatekeeper for the next 3-5 years.

I know I am going to get blasted for this, but itís my opinion at the moment. Iím not a homer and donít have it out for Mir, so I could certainly change my opinion if he improves his TDD and wrestling noticeably in his next few fights (which will likely all be against big wrestlersÖ Carwin, Cain, and Brock). Iím not on board the Mir hype train yet, but I am getting on board the JDS hype train for now.

JWP 01-16-2010 02:50 PM

you know what, i agree with pretty much everything in that post

as good as mir is, i think he is still from the old school of fighters. JDS and guys who have similar attributes (speed, power, technique on the feet, good enough on the ground to stay out of trouble) are the future of the division imo

M_D 01-16-2010 02:54 PM

good post, even though i may not agree with everything you wrote.

one thing i will comment on is that you say he needs to change if he is gunna be a force in the hw division(which he kinda already is ) he will need to change. my answer to this is, he is, he is changing almost everything about himself in a somewhat drastic fashion. the thing with mir is that even though he talks allot of crap he is smart he realized the way he was he was going to have trouble with the evolving/de-evolving (however you want to look at it) HW division, so he bulked up drastically in a smart way and has worked on his striking witch has improved allot. honestly with the he needs to work on his takedown defense statement, this i think he should not worry about to much for honestly a fighter can work on takedown defense all he wants but lesner will take them down at will everytime

420atalon 01-16-2010 03:13 PM

Imo I don't consider Mir to have all that much hype except for the crap he spews from his mouth. Most people just consider him to be a top fighter in the division, which he is.

He will never dominate the division, but he is going to give most of the top fighters at least a run for their money if not beat them. He does have the ability to sink in a sub when he is losing a fight and now with his improving striking and wrestling he is becoming a better all around fighter.

TraMaI 01-16-2010 03:17 PM

He's looked really good since his comeback and I think thats where the hype is stemming from. I've always been a fan of Mir. He's a lot like me when it comes to fights. He's really calm, really cocky and really competitive and is always striving to better himself, not just be content with who he is. Plus I'll always have a soft spot for Jiu-Jistsu fighters, as I am one myself. I like nothing more than fighters saying crap like "I'm going to take his arm home and hang it on my mantle."

khoveraki 01-16-2010 03:48 PM

Repped for getting on the JDS train, you won't regret it. :thumbsup:


Mir has decent power in his hands and strong submissions, but he's got zero wrestling and zero power in his legs. I also think he might be playing into this weight thing WAY too much.

420atalon 01-16-2010 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khoveraki (Post 1092599)
Repped for getting on the JDS train, you won't regret it. :thumbsup:


Mir has decent power in his hands and strong submissions, but he's got zero wrestling and zero power in his legs. I also think he might be playing into this weight thing WAY too much.

Size/weight is VERY important now with Lesnar as champion.

Lesnar is not just some big slow unskilled fighter. He is very big, strong and skilled.

Mir knows he needs to gain some more strength if he ever wants to be champion again.

BobbyCooper 01-16-2010 03:54 PM

I don't buy into this Hype! Mir is a very good fighter, but he won't be champion anymore. All this weight stuff he is doing now just makes him even more slower like he already was. I still consider his standup only average to other HW and Wrestling is non-existent. I have to admit I never thought he would win against Kongo in a striking match and I still think he won't stand a chance in a K-1 match against him.

Iuanes 01-16-2010 04:06 PM

I really don't think Frank Mir's abilities are over hyped as much as his profile is always noticeable to do his self-promoting. I haven't seen anything on this forum or others that argues for Frank Mir being the de facto champion or dominating the division. I think the consensus is that Frank Mir is an elite heavyweight with a big mouth who has the potential to be champion.

I tired of people downplaying his first win over Lesnar. The truth is there are very few people in the division who could have pulled off what he did to Lesnar.

khoveraki 01-16-2010 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 420atalon (Post 1092606)
Size/weight is VERY important now with Lesnar as champion.

Lesnar is not just some big slow unskilled fighter. He is very big, strong and skilled.

Mir knows he needs to gain some more strength if he ever wants to be champion again.

Yeah, that's why the smallest HW in Randy did the best against Lesnar. :confused:


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