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Old 01-23-2010, 08:21 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Right now I wouldn't bet against Mir until he gets Lesnar again. He is focused and on a mission. If nothing was on the line for the fight, I'd say it was a tossup. If the fight occurs to see who gets a crack at Lesnar, then I'm scared for Nog.

I dont see Nog at any time of the fight being able to strike with Mir.... And he is a lot more stronger now then he was when they fought last.... Yeah Nog was sick but Frank is all around better just like Nog is and more stronger.

Its not a good fight for Nog
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Old 01-23-2010, 09:26 PM   #22 (permalink)
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For those saying that Mir's striking is totally awesome because he knocked down Kongo, well, Heath Herring knocked down Kongo even faster than Mir. Then recall that except for one head kick, Heath was getting tooled in striking by Nog.

Is Mir's striking improved from before? Yes, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here, people are starting to talk like he's got unstoppable striking because he knocked down Kongo. Are we gonna talk about Heath Herring's amazing world class striking too?

The fight's gonna be a lot closer than most people think.
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For those saying that Mir's striking is totally awesome because he knocked down Kongo, well, Heath Herring knocked down Kongo even faster than Mir. Then recall that except for one head kick, Heath was getting tooled in striking by Nog.

Is Mir's striking improved from before? Yes, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here, people are starting to talk like he's got unstoppable striking because he knocked down Kongo. Are we gonna talk about Heath Herring's amazing world class striking too?

The fight's gonna be a lot closer than most people think.
News flash, you dont have to be anderson silva to beat nog in striking, and herring didnt drop kongo on his ass like mir did, he dropped him to a knee.

For the record Id put mad money on mir to outstrike herring. I never said Mirs striking was godly, but I take his striking over Nogs any day.
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For those saying that Mir's striking is totally awesome because he knocked down Kongo, well, Heath Herring knocked down Kongo even faster than Mir. Then recall that except for one head kick, Heath was getting tooled in striking by Nog.

Is Mir's striking improved from before? Yes, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here, people are starting to talk like he's got unstoppable striking because he knocked down Kongo. Are we gonna talk about Heath Herring's amazing world class striking too?

The fight's gonna be a lot closer than most people think.
MMAth fails dude.

Plus I have been saying Mir has good striking since UFC 92. He displayed good striking then, he displayed good striking at UFC 100 and he displayed good Striking at UFC 107.

A week before UFC 107 people were claiming that Kongo was the best striker in the UFC HW division (which I never agreed with anyways) then after Mir knocks him down he is no good because Heath Herring knocked him down. Heath Herring is the kinda guy who just does that. I mean he kicked Nog in the head good.

EDIT: No Mir does not have World Class Striking but he is a GOOD striker he is better then Nog. His southpaw stance and style throws people off.
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Yup totally agree i think we all learned something very valuable about that night Mir and Nog fought.... Mir KICKS HIS ASS, Nog has a rock for a chin and pulls off wins after getting put away over and over again, but he just cant Catch Frank on anything and Mir just hits to hard, infection or not, the infection didnt effect how good of a chin or how to dodge punches......

Mir would take him easily imo

Nog had a serious knee injury during the fight that wrecked his mobility. He was 100% different and faster in the Couture fight after he got surgery.


You guys ever try boxing a world class fighter when you have a torn ACL and no training camp because of Staph?
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Nog had a serious knee injury during the fight that wrecked his mobility. He was 100% different and faster in the Couture fight after he got surgery.


You guys ever try boxing a world class fighter when you have a torn ACL and no training camp because of Staph?

And he was recovering from a staph infection as well i know. But spends most of his high caliber fights on the ground... Mir just isn't a good match up, being how he is even stronger now then he was when they last fought, and both im sure have gotten overall better, but more in Mir's favor imo. I just dont see Nog being able to Sub Mir, and Mir having a better chance in subbing him. And i dont see Nog getting a KO, which imo he would have to win by decision and i dont see that happening.

Mir would finish him 1st or 2nd round


But remember its all just opinion lol
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Old 01-23-2010, 11:04 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Plus I have been saying Mir has good striking since UFC 92. He displayed good striking then, he displayed good striking at UFC 100 and he displayed good Striking at UFC 107.
It looked good in UFC 92, but almost anyone would've looked good against the sluggish half-dead Nog that showed up in that fight. I don't think anyone can honestly say that Nog was moving and striking anywhere near as well as he's done in his 3 other UFC fight. He came in more than 10 pounds heavy and moved like a snail.

In UFC 100 Mir threw a grand total of 11 strikes, looked good but it's not really enough to go on. 107 was similar, he looked good catching Kongo early and that was the end of that. Promising, but to me it's not really conclusive. I want to see a round from Mir that's something like the 1st round of Couture vs. Nog before I'm willing to make a firm statement on how good his striking actually is.

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A week before UFC 107 people were claiming that Kongo was the best striker in the UFC HW division (which I never agreed with anyways) then after Mir knocks him down he is no good because Heath Herring knocked him down. Heath Herring is the kinda guy who just does that. I mean he kicked Nog in the head good.
Boy do I remember that, everyone was getting on Kongo's nuts real good in the thread about Mir outboxing Kongo. I stayed out of that one since the thread was getting way to crazy for me. But yeah, Heath does pull some crazy stuff from time to time.

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EDIT: No Mir does not have World Class Striking but he is a GOOD striker he is better then Nog. His southpaw stance and style throws people off.
Nog's no slouch either in striking, Tim Sylvia was the only other fighter to beat him striking in the UFC, and back then Tim was beating everyone in the standup. Randy managed to figure out Timmy only to have Nog tool him last year. Is Nog world class? No, but he's still better than people are giving him credit for.
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It looked good in UFC 92, but almost anyone would've looked good against the sluggish half-dead Nog that showed up in that fight. I don't think anyone can honestly say that Nog was moving and striking anywhere near as well as he's done in his 3 other UFC fight. He came in more than 10 pounds heavy and moved like a snail.

In UFC 100 Mir threw a grand total of 11 strikes, looked good but it's not really enough to go on. 107 was similar, he looked good catching Kongo early and that was the end of that. Promising, but to me it's not really conclusive. I want to see a round from Mir that's something like the 1st round of Couture vs. Nog before I'm willing to make a firm statement on how good his striking actually is.





Boy do I remember that, everyone was getting on Kongo's nuts real good in the thread about Mir outboxing Kongo. I stayed out of that one since the thread was getting way to crazy for me. But yeah, Heath does pull some crazy stuff from time to time.



Nog's no slouch either in striking, Tim Sylvia was the only other fighter to beat him striking in the UFC, and back then Tim was beating everyone in the standup. Randy managed to figure out Timmy only to have Nog tool him last year. Is Nog world class? No, but he's still better than people are giving him credit for.
Man in reality I pretty much agree with almost everything you said.

Any could have looked good against Nog at UFC 92 but Mir looked great. At UFC 100 there was very little standup and Mir won about 15 seconds of a 2 round fight haha. I know that Nog is a good striker I never said he wasn't it's just that I think Mir is better.

So yea like I said in a previous post I think that Nog is a great fighter but a fight with Mir is just a stylistic nightmare for him. The only thing I think Nog has the advantadge in is BJJ and that might not even be by that much. Despite being such a crazy Mir fan I do have alot of respect for Nog and ill be pulling for him at UFC 110.

If Mir and Nog do cross paths again I see the fight being a little diferent but ending in ethier a 3rd round tko for Mir or a split decision.

EDIT: Oh and for the record I think a bulked up Nog might actually have equal to or greater chance of beating Lesnar just by the way he sweeps guys and baits people into subs, Nog is an expert at that.
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So yea like I said in a previous post I think that Nog is a great fighter but a fight with Mir is just a stylistic nightmare for him. The only thing I think Nog has the advantadge in is BJJ and that might not even be by that much. Despite being such a crazy Mir fan I do have alot of respect for Nog and ill be pulling for him at UFC 110.
No doubt it's a hard matchup for Nog, and I think it would be a very interesting fight if it happens. The BJJ matchup is hard to call, Mir has a more aggressive attacking style which might give him a slight edge when going for submissions while Nog's style is very well balanced between defence & offence, and he's good at tie-ups, moving, and not taking too much damage when he's down. Mir doesn't seem to have as good of a defensive guard, then again it was Brock Lesnar beating on him so that's one hell of a test. I'm not going to count the Brandon Vera fight since he still wasn't healthy then. I'll have to see how Mir does the next time someone manages to put him on his back.
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It looked good in UFC 92, but almost anyone would've looked good against the sluggish half-dead Nog that showed up in that fight. I don't think anyone can honestly say that Nog was moving and striking anywhere near as well as he's done in his 3 other UFC fight. He came in more than 10 pounds heavy and moved like a snail.
As I said initiallly, mir could win, but we have never seen Nog that bad before or after the staph so I dont think he is on the decline. Still a competitive fight
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