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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 01-24-2010, 12:51 AM Thread Starter
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I think that fighters that train in an MMA style are kinda of ruining the sport. I makes it boring to see the same kinda of fights. Also, they are trying to take the best parts out of martial arts (like arms bars, double legs, etc.) and leaving out things that aren't as popular. A hip throw is a great take down that puts a person in side mount and is easy to do from the clinch, but almost no one uses it. A lot of great fighters have there own styles like Anderson Silva having great stand up, or Machida's karate. Their unique styles kind of give them an advantage over other player and make all of their fights entertaining.
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I think that fighters that train in an MMA style are kinda of ruining the sport. I makes it boring to see the same kinda of fights. Also, they are trying to take the best parts out of martial arts (like arms bars, double legs, etc.) and leaving out things that aren't as popular. A hip throw is a great take down that puts a person in side mount and is easy to do from the clinch, but almost no one uses it. A lot of great fighters have there own styles like Anderson Silva having great stand up, or Machida's karate. Their unique styles kind of give them an advantage over other player and make all of their fights entertaining.
you think that fighters training in a mixed martial arts style are ruining the sport eh?

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Get in there and try to hip throw any one of these guys. There's a reason those "pretty" takedowns aren't seen very often, and thats because it takes a seriously skilled person to be able to achieve it in the middle of a fight. Thats why you see more generic wrestlers who grab and hold you for 3 rounds, since its alot easier to use your strength over skill by doing that.

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Actually there's quite a few.

GSP vs Hughes you see one of the sickest hip throws.

Karo Parisyan

Dong Kim in his first couple of fights was throwing people around.

Jon Jones has some pretty unique throws although it's Greco based.

All in all I get your point. Fighters are simply utilizing what's "the most effective" or apparent and that's why you rarely see an uchi mata, gogo plata, or a brabo choke...etc. In that essence you see similar types of fights, combos, and moves.

THAT is why when you see someone like Anderson Silva, Machida, or even Jon Jones, it's really an eye opener because they incorporate techniques that one rarely sees in combat.
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Fighters today are perfecting fighting styles. Why use a hip throw when a double leg is far more effective and doesn't expose the guy to as much damage?

Pretty much, as was said above, unless the guy using these unique moves is an elite level fighter, he isn't going to be able to pull off those kinds of moves. He might as well narrow down the moves to those that he can pull off without fail.

There is little to no reason to use flashy subs and throws when the simple ones work just as well.

If you think it is ruining the sport, you should probably watch BJJ tourny's and judo competitions. Hell, ADCC would be great for you.


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LOL, I kind of though the same thing. But I think what he's saying is, fighters that aren't highlighting any certain discipline. There are a lot of young fighters these that just start training at a gym that teaches them everything all at once, basically resulting in a fighter that is a C- or a B+ at best in every aspect of the game. I too prefer it when you've got an A+ striker, even if his wrestling game is a D and his Jitz is a B-... Sorry, may have taken that grade thing a little too far there.

Point is, I've been saying it for a long time, the older this sport gets, the more and more fights we are going to see go the distance. These guys are becoming incredibly good at neutralizing each other's strengths, just look at Machida and Shogun.
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There are a reason many throws and subs aren't often used, they simply are not that effective an pretty much only work because of the art of surprise, same reason you rarely see a spinning back fist.




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I just want MMA to become as effective as it possibly can become. With every little aspect of the game is optimised for simplicity and effectivity. If that means we won't see flying omoplatas each day, so be it, it takes a truly unique and crazy person to pull off these moves anyway.

Fact of the matter is, if the athletes does not train in whats most effective, don't do everything in the gym they need to do in order to become as good as possible, then this no longer becomes sport, and becomes instead spectacle. Like UFC 1-9 or something. I say NO THANKS, ill take 'cookie cutter MMA' instead where darwinism rules and only the best win belts, not those who choose to train most effictive vs those who use inferior styles. At the end of the day, even if everyone trained exactly the same, its still the individual and that individuals style of fighting that shines thru. Even the 40000k american wrestlers that compete are all unique. Each person is more natuarally talented with some techniques, so we will never see identical fights anyway. Just more and more efficient fights that look less and less like movie fights. Good riddance!

This may sound harsh, but may I recomend to you good sir (the OP) to watch Kung Fu movies instead of real competiotion. There you can see 'tiger style' vs 'drunken boxing' every day!
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