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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 01-05-2007, 10:13 PM
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I'd be surprised if Chuck didn't train BJJ defence techniques. Everyone these days has to be able to defend against it
Chuck does practice a little bit in BJJ but works more on striking, sprawling and wrestling because that's what works for him. Someone actually posted a fight where Chuck chokes an opponent out with a RNC.

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now i'm not 100% on this, but i'm pretty sure chuck is a purple? belt in bjj- i could be wrong- and i like seeing knockouts way more than submissions so i won't argue with his style- it seems to have been working for quite some time now...
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i practice bjj so i can get behind men
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Chuck actually has some BJJ skill including alotta knowledge about leg locks.
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If you watch the TUF Season 1 DVD's, you'll see Chuck showing some ground game with Mark Laimon. In it, he discusses how one of his trainers shows him stuff like that, which seems to strongly suggest that he has ground coaches.

I think it just follows what Joe Rogan is always saying: Stick to your strengths in the ring, and practice your weaknesses outside it. If you're someone like Hughes or Koscheck, don't come in and try to prove you can strike. Take your guys down and beat 'em on the ground, and if that proves impossible then see what you can do on your feet. In Chuck's case, knock people out, wrestle to stay on his feet, and if he can't get up then use his ground game skills.
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If you watch the TUF Season 1 DVD's, you'll see Chuck showing some ground game with Mark Laimon. In it, he discusses how one of his trainers shows him stuff like that, which seems to strongly suggest that he has ground coaches.

I think it just follows what Joe Rogan is always saying: Stick to your strengths in the ring, and practice your weaknesses outside it. If you're someone like Hughes or Koscheck, don't come in and try to prove you can strike. Take your guys down and beat 'em on the ground, and if that proves impossible then see what you can do on your feet. In Chuck's case, knock people out, wrestle to stay on his feet, and if he can't get up then use his ground game skills.
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Fighters who move outside their talents often suffer for it. Take Edwin Dewees, for example. I find that a lot of fighters that are heavily trained in Gracie-style jits tend to be timid during the opening of a fight, waiting for an opponent to react so they can counter. Dewees, as he showed on The Ultimate Fighter against Gideon Ray, is an extremely agressive BJJ fighter, which is a welcome change. Not only agressive, he's also talented - 27 of his 34 wins are submissions. So what happens when he goes up against Jorge Rivera at the TUF 4 Finale? He strikes. I knew he was in for it when he talked about "working on his striking." Why on earth would a talented BJJ fighter decide to abandon his training and trade blows with someone who has more experience tossing leather?

You might also argue that Georges St. Pierre owes Matt Hughes a debt of gratitude for trying the same thing. Hughes has said in interviews he has a serious jones to put one of his opponents to sleep in stand-up, and he was trying it on Rush in November. Hughes has tried it before, but had the acumen to stop trying to stand and throw when things went pear-shaped; he reverted to the wrestling and grounding-and-pounding that he is justly famous for.

Against Rush, however, he shouldn't have even tried to stand. If Rush was a boxer he might have lasted longer, but St. Pierre is a black belt in Kyokushin and his striking is not only unorthodox (compared to standard boxing) but also includes very effective kicks. I bet Hughes had decided to switch to wrestling after Rush was beating the tuna out of him at the end of the first round. Too bad he didn't try to work his strengths right from the get-go.

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Plainly put..."Don't fix what is not broken, but have a plan B just in case"

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fighters who rely solely on strikes to win dont seem to practice much of bjj at all... i think i saw chuck training and crocop. All they do is train on how to sprawl? and get off the ground?

and chuck and crocop fight similarly meaning they always defending the take down and rely on strikes purely... so i guess they dont need bjj?


P.S. ALTHOUGH I RESPECT CHUCK AS A STRIKER HE NEEDS TO STOP CALLING HIMSELF A KICK BOXER... CROCOP, WANDERLEI, ANDERSON SILVA ARE REAL KICK BOXERS (MUAY THAI).. ANNOYING TO ME
I don't know what you mean when you say this, but this is just not true. In MMA today you cannot be a good fighter without training in many styles. That's not necessarily BJJ, but all of these guys do some form of submission grappling.

First, Chuck is a kickboxer. He started his career in kickboxing and, though he has a Kempo backround, he was a kickboxer long before Hackleman introduced him to Kempo.

Second, Anderson Silva is a BJJ blackbelt. If you consider him a true striker then true strikers do, in fact, practice BJJ. Wanderlei Silva also practices, but not quite at the same level as Anderson.

Third, CroCop has a sambo backround. It isn't mentioned by alot of people because it isn't his primary style, but he dabbles in it and we saw that with that awesome guillotine he put on Randleman.

Chuck started with his sprawls after he got CTFO'd (that's choked the f*ck out) by Jeremy Horn, this was back when he was pretty much entirely a kickboxer. After that he started to study the grappling aspects of Kempo and wrestling. He's not a BJJ guy, but he studies grappling.

Everybody on this level studies grappling. You have to in order to survive. If you mean that they don't rely on BJJ as a style, fine, but then you might as well say that Russians don't practice BJJ.



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