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View Poll Results: The Golden Years of MMA
The Golden Years were back in the 1990s. 8 9.64%
The Golden Years of MMA are right now. 20 24.10%
The Golden Years are ahead of us. 23 27.71%
It's all personal prefrence. 22 26.51%
They are behind us but it happend in Pride not the UFC. 10 12.05%
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post #1 of 50 (permalink) Old 01-28-2010, 03:00 PM Thread Starter
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Old School UFC Fans - Are we past the Golden Years?

Well if we look back UFC and MMA has transformed into something that alot of people never thought possible. Are we past the golden years of MMA? Are we comming close to it? Are we living it right now or is it all personal prefrence?


What do you think was more exciting. The early years of bloodsport MMA, Discipline vs Discipline or Modern day MMA where everyone is well rounded?

Now some might think im crazy and most will say Modern Day hands down and I can see why but hear me out.


Back before rules. Back before judges. Back before the UFC logo we know today back before Big John invented the term "intelligently defending yourself" was a time of question a Golden Age covered in blood, the beginning of the UFC. Back in the 1990s we had no idea what was going to happen in this cage with no rules. Before hand most of us watched WWF or Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts (or as most of us just knew it as UFC or Ultimate Fighting) was new and fresh and something we had never seen before. I remember the first time I laid eyes on it in it's VHS glory. IT WAS INSANE!


We got to answer the age old questions. Who is the Ultimate Fighter? What is the Ultimate Discipline?

Boxers vs Wrestlers
BJJ vs Karate (obviously Karate would own right? haha)
Street Brawlers vs Kung Fu
Even the odd Marine or odd Joe would give it a shot a name their own style
etc etc


In today's MMA we know what to expect the blueprint has been set out but back in the day it was "ok let's see what the **** is gonna happen" no weight classes no rules aside from no biting and eye gouging it was crazy it was a bloodsport and despite what some people may think here it was "human cockfighting".

Don't get me wrong I love what the UFC has turned into it had to sooner or later but all im saying is the ride was fun while it lasted. If I could choose to be a part of the future of MMA when we are all dead and gone or the beginning like I and many others are I wouldn't change a thing.

So what did you find more exciting? The old days battles with Royce Gracie, Kimo, Ken Shamrock and Tank Abbott or modern days technical bouts like say Lyoto Machida vs Shogun Rua?

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I liked dis vs dis..

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i liked the old version. i understand why they changed it, it was the only way to make real money, but what can i say? i liked watching guys REALLY get the shit beaten out of them. lol. though even i cringed when groin shots were used. i wish i could watch those vale tudo (sp?) fights, they must be awesome. anyone know where they're available?
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Poll updated.

Also I am kinda aware that this was all happening in Brazil with Tudo or whatever but im just kinda talking from a North American's point of view.

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Nice thread, what makes it particularly good is how you justified what it was about the old UFC you enjoyed -- something which I think any of us can relate to. It was exciting seeing Royce get someone on the ground, I always remember thinking of him like a snake. Once he got his opponent there, it was only a matter of time. I think the lack of education surrounding it was what made it interesting. You're right, no one really knew what to expect, or who was going to win.

Let me go on to say that, remembering the old UFCs, makes it difficult to say that modern UFC is better. I think old UFC was more authentic. It represented a real conflict very well, but I also recognize that the ability to maintain such fights without injuries isn't possible.

Now, while I try to justify what I like about current UFC, I find that the education level has changed completely. We know a lot more about the sport, therefore some of us are easily bored if action isn't happening, whereas back then a lack of action was excitement, because we didn't really know any better. So it's easier to say that there are far more disappointing fights now, as opposed to then. But the reality is, it's all preference based. I prefer the modern UFC. I like being educated about what I'm watching, I like the evolution the fighters have undergone. I think we're in an era right now that possesses the best non-weapon fighters in the history of the world, and I think MMA has made that possible. Not only that, is that fighters are going to continue to evolve. As much as I appreciate what the old MMA set up for modern MMA, I enjoy watching modern MMA more.
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Ya very true the old UFC had it down falls too I mean the fighters were not very well conditioned and sometimes they would just lay on eachother. It was all fun but I think it evolved as it should and it contining to do.

I tried to make the poll good for everyone and I personally could agree with anyone who picked any of those options. It look's fairly close so far anyways.

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haha that's funny that you open a thread like this today. Because I just watched some of the UFC 1,2 Highlights recently. Read some old articles about this time and so on... in other words I loved it!

I tought the first shows were totally awesome! I mean everybody comes in with a different kind of Martial Art and tries to prove that his style is the ultimate best of all. Nobody didn't even knew what BJJ was. Everybody was like Karate or boxing has to win. No weight classes no rules (just a few) just pioneers of there Martial Art and there time. Also the Tournament structure was great, with so many fights from the same fighter. What a torture for the fighters that must have been.

And also the storyline was amazing, that somebody like Royce such a small skinny guy with his gi steps in there and destroys everybody within seconds, even guys who are twice his size.

Actually you can't really say what was better. It was great how it happened and how the whole sport developed. All these phenomanal athlets today who are perfect at nearly every Martial Art..it's amazing where we are today. I guess if I would have watched the beginning Live with the age of let's say 20 I would have never believed that this sport could really become what it is today..NEVER!!!

But the answer for your poll, the Golden days definitely happen right now! With guys like Lyoto, Anderson and so on.

A good example is probably Usain Bolt, you can't run any faster then that even in 200 years. The border is nearly reached!

In MMA there is still some free space, but not much!
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haha that's funny that you open a thread like this today. Because I just watched some of the UFC 1,2 Highlights recently. Read some old articles about this time and so on... in other words I loved it!

I tought the first shows were totally awesome! I mean everybody comes in with a different kind of Martial Art and tries to prove that his style is the ultimate best of all. Nobody didn't even knew what BJJ was. Everybody was like Karate or boxing has to win. No weight classes no rules (just a few) just pioneers of there Martial Art and there time. Also the Tournament structure was great, with so many fights from the same fighter. What a torture for the fighters that must have been.

And also the storyline was amazing, that somebody like Royce such a small skinny guy with his gi steps in there and destroys everybody within seconds, even guys who are twice his size.

Actually you can't really say what was better. It was great how it happened and how the whole sport developed. All these phenomanal athlets today who are perfect at nearly every Martial Art..it's amazing where we are today. I guess if I would have watched the beginning Live with the age of let's say 20 I would have never believed that this sport could really become what it is today..NEVER!!!

But the answer for your poll, the Golden days definitely happen right now!

Yeah Dito!

I got into MMa because of movies like "Blood Sport", and "Enter The Dragon" that my brother would always watch. Then we saw UFC Ultimate Knockout video, and we were hooked since lol....

I do enjoy the old ones a lot as well as the new... And i think were finally starting to get to the point where every champion is at a different level.

We will know more after the Shogun Rematch with Machida

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From an evolving-the-sport point of view, you could say the golden years were when Royce appeared and started destroying guys way bigger than him, or Shammy submission fighting and demolishing everybody that way.

I put personal preference, because every day that the sport moves forward, gains a new fan, makes somebody mix up their own workout or even consider fighting, is important.


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Great thread. Here's my take:


Old School: Old school fights were incredibly because of the ignorance. It was like magic... most of us had no idea what BJJ was about, what wrestling was really about, even what kicking or punching was really about. When I saw a spinning back fist knock out Matt Serra, I couldn't believe it. It was like a special move from Mortal Kombat. Just like seeing Royce pull an armbar from nowhere.


New School: We're all thoroughly educated what guard is, what submissions are available most times, we can usually tell a fighter's game plan before it's implemented. But what's exciting now is to see JUST how evolved a human being can become in hand to hand combat. We're really getting down to the best, most realistic styles with guys like Shogun, GSP, and Mousasi really pushing the evolution.

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