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Old 01-04-2007, 01:17 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Riggs knees were not down. They showed replays from different angles. And clearly both his knees were not on the ground. He was staggering to get his balance back, but BOOM a knee to the head. AA was not cheating. When the fight was continued, Cruz was just interested in the submission. Then, WHAM AA's devastating punch. Everything was legal. Oh except Leben vs Macdonald, Leben was definitely holding on to the cage.
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Riggs knees were not down. They showed replays from different angles. And clearly both his knees were not on the ground. He was staggering to get his balance back, but BOOM a knee to the head. AA was not cheating. When the fight was continued, Cruz was just interested in the submission. Then, WHAM AA's devastating punch. Everything was legal. Oh except Leben vs Macdonald, Leben was definitely holding on to the cage.
Actually AA did indeed hold he fence while delivering the final blows to marcio, but herb dean didnt notice because he was on his hands and knees watching marcios head.
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Riggs was definitely up when Sanchez knee'd him in the face. It was close, but it was legit.

Arlovski was holding on to the fence, but his initial punch pretty much knocked Cruz out cold. Cruz would have lost either way IMO.
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I belive AA only did it out of instinct, but even if he hadn't grabbed the fence he still would of won.
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Old 01-04-2007, 02:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Yeah grabbing the fence is usually not even intentional. In the heat of the moment there's something there to help you stabilize yourself, of course you are going to use it. Also I don't think it helped Arlovski win that fight (plus I like Arlovski ) An example of holding the fence where it seriously may have impacted the fight was Tim Sylvia holding on for dear life to prevent Assuerio Silva from suplexing him.
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Old 01-05-2007, 07:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Beeno's 10000 V is a great idea to stop people grabbing the cage, make things very interesting though a lot like WWE, UFC with electrified barbed wire around the cage and thumbtacks on the mat even better
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Old 01-05-2007, 07:21 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Thanks guys! I think you're all right about Riggs, it was really close but I too think he was if barely "up". I also agree Arlovski was probably going to win anyway, just strange to see that at the end of a fight and no mention of it by Rogon and company
Actually if you watch the fight and listen closely Rogan or Goldberg (not quite sure which one) does mention that the knee was perfectly legal because Riggs was back up on two feet.
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Old 01-05-2007, 08:17 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Yea the Diego knee was perfect. He timed that shit so perfectly a second sooner it would have been illegal and a second later he would have missed or got it blocked. That was a beautifully perfect knee to the f*cking noggin.

I didn't even notice AA grabbing the fence at the bar but I have been hearing all about it on here. I don't agree with anyone grabbing the fence for any reason because it is totally unfair to the fighters who make an effort NOT to grab the fence, but it is true that Cruz was done for after that CRACK in the jaw. I mean, if Cruz grabbed the fence to escape the TKO, would you all be saying, "Well it's just instinct it's no big deal". I highly doubt it. Fence grabbing is a double standard, it doesn't matter who does it for what reason, it is still against the rules and a completely unfair advantage to your opponent. In the words of pt447, it is a slippery slope. Keep going with that mindset and fights will be retarded with people blatantly grabbing the fence all fight long and claiming it's just instinct. I didn't see him grabbing the fence but I can hardly think that this situation was "instinct". It would have been instinct for Cruz to do it in that position but not AA. He was already in a dominant position about to win the fight so how would it be instinct to grab the fence? It would only be instinctive to use it to prevent damage or escape damage, not inflict damage

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Yeah grabbing the fence is usually not even intentional. In the heat of the moment there's something there to help you stabilize yourself, of course you are going to use it. Also I don't think it helped Arlovski win that fight (plus I like Arlovski ) An example of holding the fence where it seriously may have impacted the fight was Tim Sylvia holding on for dear life to prevent Assuerio Silva from suplexing him.
Yah that Tim Sylvia shit really pissed me off because he would have got slammed and Silva definetly would have finished him on the ground. He totally got screwed out of winning.
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Old 01-06-2007, 02:38 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Ya, Riggs got both knees of the ground. And I think the reff stopped AA from holding the fence but I might be wrong.
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