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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 02-10-2010, 04:14 AM Thread Starter
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Anderson Silva’s Muay Thai trainer breaks camp

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Brazilian MMA site Tatame.com, today reported that UFC middleweight champ Anderson Silva and his Muay Thai coach, Daniel Woirin have parted ways. Woirin told Tatame in the original report,

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“I thank Anderson for all the time we spent working together. He’s a champion, a born striker, but we won’t continue working together in this partnership due to lack of tune in some moments. I decided to let the way open or him to work his Muay Thai with anyone he decides”.
Because the English meaning is sometimes a little lost in translation, and also to find out what Woirin meant by a “…lack of tune in some moments,” ProMMAnow.com spoke with the Muay Thai trainer today to try and get some clarification on his split with the champ.

ProMMAnow.com: To clarify, how long did you work with Anderson Silva?
Daniel Woirin: I worked for about two years with Anderson Silva. I began my work with him when I stopped working with Lyoto Machida.

ProMMAnow.com: Obviously, it has been reported you are no longer working with him. Could you tell us why you have decided to stop working with Anderson?
Daniel Woirin: I enjoyed training Anderson for these fights, the results were positive – obviously my favorite were the first one (against James Irvin) and the last one (against Forrest Griffin) but it’s better stop now working together because we aren’t in syntony anymore.

ProMMAnow.com: Can you give us an example of what you mean by this?
Daniel Woirin: – Woirin gave no comment on this question -

ProMMAnow.com: Some people might not realize, as good as Anderson Silva is, why he still needs a Muay Thai trainer. Can you explain why someone at Anderson’s level would still need a Muay Thai coach?
Daniel Woirin: Manny Pacquiao is the best boxer in the world and he still trains boxing with boxing trainer. That’s the same thing for Ronaldinho, he still trains with soccer trainer. With Anderson it’s not different. He needs to train and to have the appropriate tactic for each fight.

ProMMAnow.com: Are there any hard feelings between you and Anderson, or was this a mutual parting of the ways?
Daniel Woirin: Nothing’s wrong between us, this was a mutual parting of the ways.

In the end, frankly, we did not learn a whole lot new. Basically, it seems for whatever reason, Woirin and Silva were no longer meshing well, they were no longer on the same wave length, they weren’t jiving, they weren’t “feeling” each other, or ever how you want to say it.

Keeping it professional, Woirin would not cite any specific examples of what he was talking about. ProMMAnow.com did call Silva’s manager, Ed Soares, to get their side of the situation, but our call was not returned.

Who initiated the parting of the ways between Silva and Woirin is not exactly clear. Even though Woirin says it was mutual, someone had to think of it first.

Silva has a fight coming up against a very dangerous opponent. He will defend his middleweight title against Vitor Belfort on April 10, at “UFC 112: Invincible” in Abu Dhabi. It is possible Silva’s camp decided they needed to go a different direction, put together a different type of game plan for this fight, and maybe they initiated the change. Then again, why change something that is not broke?

If you need a good Muay Thai coach, or just to learn more about this trainer of champions, check out Daniel Woirin’s website at www.danielwoirin.com.
Doesn't sound like ideal preparation for his upcoming fight with Vitor. I wonder if this is relevant in any way or means nothing at all. Only Silva knows what effect this trainer had on his skills. Your thoughts?
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I don't think it's that significant honestly. I mean this guy has only been with Anderson for two years, by the time he came along Andy was already a Muay Thai machine and UFC champ with a ton of successful defenses. I'm guessing this guy did very little to add on to that ... just kept the ball rolling which any good MT trainer should be able to do.

It's not like Mike Tyson and Cus D'amato, who mentored and taught Mike everything he knew, and evolved his style specifically based on Mike's strengths. Cus was Mike's Godfather and thinktank ... this guy is just another coach who came when the sun was already shining brightly.

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I don't think it's that significant honestly. I mean this guy has only been with Anderson for two years, by the time he came along Andy was already a Muay Thai machine and UFC champ with a ton of successful defenses. I'm guessing this guy did very little to add on to that ... just kept the ball rolling which any good MT trainer should be able to do.

It's not like Mike Tyson and Cus D'amato, who mentored and taught Mike everything he knew, and evolved his style specifically based on Mike's strengths. Cus was Mike's Godfather and thinktank ... this guy is just another coach who came when the sun was already shining brightly.

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I don't think it's that significant honestly. I mean this guy has only been with Anderson for two years, by the time he came along Andy was already a Muay Thai machine and UFC champ with a ton of successful defenses. I'm guessing this guy did very little to add on to that ... just kept the ball rolling which any good MT trainer should be able to do.

It's not like Mike Tyson and Cus D'amato, who mentored and taught Mike everything he knew, and evolved his style specifically based on Mike's strengths. Cus was Mike's Godfather and thinktank ... this guy is just another coach who came when the sun was already shining brightly.

Nice find though.
Yea... I agree I think. Still, not the ideal preparation like I said before. Is he going to be without a Thai trainer leading up to the fight?
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Yea... I agree I think. Still, not the ideal preparation like I said before. Is he going to be without a Thai trainer leading up to the fight?
hmm good question. I would imagine not ... I think he trains at Black House, they probably have one or two to spare that he could borrow for a while or get a new one in.

You're right though, it can't be ideal changing something tried and tested so soon before a tough test like Vitor. Who knows if the new guy pushes him too hard or too little. Or heaven forbid, Anderson decides to train MT on his own, which is a surefire recipe for slacking off... I've never known anyone to push themselves as hard as a trainer would.
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I don't think it'll make a significant difference, honestly. The timing ain't great, but when is it ever? I got the feeling that there was some tension between the two, so perhaps it's a good thing that such a relationship ends so that Silva can purely concentrate on his opponent and not have to worry about a fractured relationship. I'm sure there are 100s of brilliant temp Muay Thai coaches out there.

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So Silva's head striking coach leaves when Silva has been injured and not training for months now, and Silva is finally slated to face a real striker?


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I don't think it's that significant honestly. I mean this guy has only been with Anderson for two years, by the time he came along Andy was already a Muay Thai machine and UFC champ with a ton of successful defenses. I'm guessing this guy did very little to add on to that ... just kept the ball rolling which any good MT trainer should be able to do.

It's not like Mike Tyson and Cus D'amato, who mentored and taught Mike everything he knew, and evolved his style specifically based on Mike's strengths. Cus was Mike's Godfather and thinktank ... this guy is just another coach who came when the sun was already shining brightly.

Nice find though.
Great Post. I was thinking same thing, as far as Tyson's camp, back in'88. Like you mention though, Tyson's and Silva's situaitons are pretty disimiliar.

I still believe Vitor has a better than average shot at Silva just based on his speed, combined with good power, but if were to place any bet it would remain with Silva . . ..
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If parting ways with a coach during preparation for a fight were to affect Silva in anyway I would have to say it would be in the realm of shaking up his mental preparation for the fight. I don't think we are going to see a less capable striker from this. That being said, I have no evidence that Silva has a weakness in mental preparation and all indications point to the opposite. So I think this is a non issue for Silva moving forward. Hell, I think I could be Silva's muay thai coach and he would still continue winning (if my forearms didn't break behind the pads)

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You know, I think Silva's okay on that muay thai stuff. I think he has it down already.

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