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Old 02-10-2010, 08:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Junior Dos Santos: How Good Is His Ground Game?



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With a perfect record of 4-0 in the UFC so far, Junior Dos Santos has quickly marked himself out as one of the top fighters in an increasingly competitive heavyweight division.

Dos Santos, aka ‘Cigano’, has made no secret of the fact that his primary goal is to out-strike his opponents, and he’s proven he is more than capable of doing just, with his heavy hands duly delivering one knockout and three TKO’s in the octagon so far.

Of course it has become apparent in recent times that to compete at the very highest level it pays to be a well-rounded fighter, and based on the caliber and skill-sets of the opponents that currently sit on his horizon it won’t be long before we see another side to the 25 year old’s game.

Which begs the question – how good is Junior Dos Santos on the ground?

Truth be told the answer is still somewhat shrouded in mystery at this time, especially as his UFC fights to date have played out entirely on their feet. There are some facts that we do know however.

Firstly, it’s interesting to note that despite his love of striking, Dos Santos actually began training in 2005 with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as his base, though kickboxing followed soon after.

In his native Brazil he earned two titles, “Bahia State Jiu Jitsu Champion”, and “Bahia State Submission Champion.”


Dos Santos With Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira

Nowadays he trains under a man whom Dos Santos considers an idol – fellow UFC heavyweight, and Pride Legend Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. Nogueira is considered by many to be the greatest Brazilian Jiu Jitsu fighter ever to compete at heavyweight in MMA, making him the perfect trainer for Dos Santos.

Two weeks before his last fight with Gilbert Yvel, Nogueira himself awarded Dos Santos his BJJ brown belt (one shy of the coveted black belt), highlighting the fact that the fighter does indeed have a legitimate ground game.

Furthermore, as part of the Black House stable, which houses many of Brazil’s elite fighters, Dos Santos also has a guaranteed supply of highly talented fighters to train with, including a recent addition to the camp – Demian Maia.

Maia, currently fighting in the UFC at middleweight, is of course one of the most revered BJJ stylists competing in the sport of mixed martial arts today.

Speaking to Brazilian site Tatame in November of last year Maia gave a rare insight into the ground game of Junior Dos Santos.

“I had never trained with Cigano, but I got surprised. He still have a lot to develop, but he has a good ground and he’s very talented, learns very fast, I think that in a little while he’s gonna be excellent.”

Alongside his BJJ, Dos Santos is also improving upon his wrestling under the tutelage of fellow UFC fighter Mark Munoz, also a member of the Black House team.

Beyond this anecdotal evidence, is there any actual proof of Dos Santos ground skills, or lack thereof?

Certainly not in the UFC, but if you dig deeper into the earlier bouts from his 10-1 career to date, there is some footage to be discovered of him fighting on the ground.

Junior Dos Santos Vs Jailson “Cabo Jai” Silva Santos

For instance, take his first ever professional fight against Jailson Silva Santos, aka “Cabo Jai” which you can watch in the first clip below. Before doing so, bear in mind that this fight is from some time ago – back in July, 2006 to be precise, and that Cabo Jai’s record at the time stood at 1-4 (1nc).






Though these days he likes to keep the fight standing, it’s interesting that in his first ever fight Dos Santos was happy to spend a considerable portion of the round in top position, working a little ground n pound from the closed guard before the referee eventually stands them back up.

Beyond the novelty of seeing him actually working from the mat there’s not much to write home about here ground wise. The main talking point is what happens afterwards, as Dos Santos hurls his opponent to the floor again and finishes him with a brutal soccer kick (illegal in the UFC of course). Interestingly it’s officially recorded on various sites as a TKO, but as you can see for yourself it’s clearly a KO!

Junior Dos Santos Vs Eduardo Maiorino

Moving on, Juniors next fight was against another Brazilian, Eduardo Maiorino, and it marks the only time that he has ended a fight by submission so far. Watch the fight below, and apologies in advance for the dodgy camera work which almost goes AWOL at the closing stages of the bout.



Again at this early stage of career Dos Santos is happy to go to ground, and indeed initiates this himself with a nice trip takedown that leaves him in side control. A brief scramble puts him back to the half guard, but allows him to latch on a guillotine choke which ends the fight.

Considering this is back in December of 2006 it’s a solid display of his developing ground game, though it has to be balanced with the fact that the fight only lasted 50 seconds, and Maiorino was essentially a kickboxer with a poor MMA record of 2-6 at the time.

Junior Dos Santos Vs Joaquim Ferreira (Rematch)

If you took note of his record earlier (10-1) then you might be wondering at this stage what happened in his only defeat to date. Luckily we have footage of the bout – his sixth pro fight, which took place in November of 2007, so you can witness it for yourself.

By way of introduction, Ferreira and Dos Santos had fought some seven months previously in a four man tournament. The two met in the final, but Ferreira, burnt out after his previous fight, eventually submitted due to exhaustion, handing Dos Santos the win.

Going into the rematch Ferreira was 4-2, though he has since extended that to 8-3.






It’s clear early on that Ferreira wants to take the fight to the floor, and it doesn’t take him long to do just that. Fighting from his back Dos Santos does well, powering out from underneath his opponent to achieve a successful reversal. Now in his open guard it looks like he’s again going to be happy working his ground n pound, but Ferreira spots an opening and swiftly locks in the armbar that ends the fight.

The fact that Dos Santos was taken down and submitted in just over a minute is a concern, but there isn’t enough evidence here to jump to any definitive conclusions on his ground skills, and there’s no doubt that he will have improved considerably in the two years since this fight took place, particularly thanks to working with the likes of Nogueira and Maia on a regular basis.

Dos Santos had one fight following this, which he won by TKO in the first round, before he entered the UFC. Whether it’s by coincidence, or by design, it’s interesting to note how his style has appeared to change since his loss. In the UFC he has shown no interest in going to the ground whatsoever, an indeed has stated as much in interviews, whereas in the earlier footage we’ve seen above he seems happy to mix it up.

Conclusion:

Despite the evidence we’ve seen there’s still a lot we don’t know about the ground game of Junior Dos Santos. After his latest TKO defeat of another dangerous striker in Gilbert Yvel I suspect we’re about to find out though, as his future opponents will now be even more keen to get him to the mat and test his skills their, rather than risk a similar fate.

Many of them are well equipped to do so. His next opponent for example is fellow Brazilian Gabe Gonzaga, is a BJJ black belt who may believe his best chance against Dos Santos is on the ground. Beyond him lie the divisions other top talents like Frank Mir and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (who to be fair he probably will never fight due to Big Nog being his mentor) – both highly skilled Jiu Jitsu black belts, while Shane Carwin, Cain Velasquez, and current champion Brock Lesnar have a strong base in wrestling.

If Dos Santos can prove himself capable on the ground against this caliber of fighter, then, coupled with his already well proven striking skills, he may have what it takes to one day become a champion.

http://www.fightofthenight.com/featu...s-ground-game/

It also looks like Werdum may be helping JDS and Nog for their up-coming fights, which is great since Werdum has beaten Gonzaga twice.

What do you guys think of the Gonzaga fight? IMO, Gonzaga honestly thinks he can stand with JDS. He'll throw some leg kicks that will get checked (JDS checks very aggressively), he'll have some success with early body shots, but then JDS will find his distance and put Gonzaga to sleep at the end of the first round.



P.S. 500,000 credits to anyone who can find the videos to go with Cigano's grappling tournaments. The one pictured above that he won was in June of 2006 and was in the "Absoluto" division.
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we wont know for a while if he is good in the ground, they keep throwing strikers at him like candy. winning tournaments and having a black belt doesnt translate into MMA wreslting like some people think, perfect example of that is GSP.

with that being said, who is there in the HW division with amazing wrestling skills? Cain,Nog,Lesnar, and Carwin, thats about it really... I am probably missing someone but thats all I can think of right now, out of those names, I am really not sold on Cain, he just doesnt seem that good and has faced poor competition. If Cain can beat Nog, then I will having faith in him...but he wont beat nog! lol

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JDS trains with Nog, so per mma internet board rules, this makes is his ground game pretty much epically legendary. ;p

JDS is one of my favorite prospects, so I sure hope his ground game doesn't disappoint. If and when it becomes necessary.
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Sick read man, repped. Well atm he's a brown belt under Nogueira ... so he's bound to be pretty good. However, like a lot of fighters with black belts in BJJ - they work on their striking and eventually feel it is as a great a strength as their ground game, so they stick with it for a more spectacular finish. Eventually, as he begins to face top tier fighters such as Mir, Carwin, Lesnar, Cain, he will be forced to use his ground game as a weapon and then we'll see really how great (or perhaps, not so great) it is. But for now, I quite enjoy watching him tear apart guys on his feet.
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JDS is the man. Next HW Champ for sure, unless Lesnar is champ that is.

It's a shame how badly they are messing with him though, he should be the number 1 contender right now IMO.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/9/...d-ed-soares-vs
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JDS is going to be a great fighter for some time to come.

He should be next in line for a title shot but he know how screwy the UFC is with giving people title shots.


I would love to see him beat Lesnar, hell I would like anybody to beat Lesnar.
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JDS is the man. Next HW Champ for sure, unless Lesnar is champ that is.

It's a shame how badly they are messing with him though, he should be the number 1 contender right now IMO.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/9/...d-ed-soares-vs
LMFAO that comic is great!

JDS is going to have the best resume at HW bar none by 2011.
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LMFAO that comic is great!

JDS is going to have the best resume at HW bar none by 2011.
By 2011? He had the best resume in that division last year, and will again this year. I think him and Lesnar will fight by the end of the year though. God that fight will be epic...
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By 2011? He had the best resume in that division last year, and will again this year. I think him and Lesnar will fight by the end of the year though. God that fight will be epic...
Ugh yes, that will be a war. Double leg... nog-esque sweep... exchange... double leg...
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JDS is the man. Next HW Champ for sure, unless Lesnar is champ that is.

It's a shame how badly they are messing with him though, he should be the number 1 contender right now IMO.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/2/9/...d-ed-soares-vs
Lmao @ the comic.
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