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post #11 of 48 (permalink) Old 02-11-2010, 05:26 AM
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Anderson would beat him. And anderson would probably tko him if he fought him the same way he did machida. Shogun kicked the shit out of machida, but anderson is like machida on crack. He's more accurate, faster, better movement all around. An agressive shogun isn't going to be able to walk him down kicking the shit out of his legs like he did machida.

However I'd love to see how shogun's striking defense matches up with anderson's countering. Machida tends to be a counter striker as well, but against shogun his counters was completely ineffective and few ever actually hit shogun.



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For one, Shogun lost to Forrest, and we all saw what Anderson did there.....

Shogun almost lost to Coleman, and i dont see any part of Andersons Career and Coleman would last the first round... And Shogun was losing to Liddell till he caught him... Anderson would make Liddell look like a joke...

Shogun without Pride soccer kicks and rules, i haven't seen the same Shogun in UFC.... And i see Machida answering these questions for us
But MK your are not talking about the same Shogun Rua here. When he fought Coleman and Liddell, he was still far away from his actual potential. Can you imagine what this Shogun Rua would do to Coleman or Liddell?? Two different fighters!

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However I'd love to see how shogun's striking defense matches up with anderson's countering. Machida tends to be a counter striker as well, but against shogun his counters was completely ineffective and few ever actually hit shogun.
I needed to watch the fight more than 5 times to actually see the counters Machida through. He landed a hell lot in this fight, it was just to quick and to overshadowed from Ruas attacks wich were easier to follow.

Do you remember the post from Coldcall? Where he posted a whole thread with pics from Lyoto punching Rua with big counter bombs? Trust me it was a close fight^^
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But MK your are not talking about the same Shogun Rua here. When he fought Coleman and Liddell, he was still far away from his actual potential. Can you imagine what this Shogun Rua would do to Coleman or Liddell?? Two different fighters!

Idk dude, he fought Machida 6 months after he fought Liddell, thats not enough time for some brand new Shogun thats so much better then the Shogun that beat Liddell.

Just because Shoguns style goes good against Machida's elusive fighting style doesn't mean he can do the same to Anderson, OR do it again to Machida a second time....

I agree he is still growing but he hasn't showed us anything to indicate he can take on someone like Anderson Silva....

Its a simple call imo

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No I wouldn't say that! For me both Lyoto and Shogun would give Anderson a hell of a tough fight.

The winnner? very hard to tell!

Anderson never fought anybody with so much skill. With Vitor he is still not there.
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People throw the phrase "P4P" around way too much these days. Shogun is a top LHW no doubt about that but at this point he is not top P4P at all. losing to Forrest, barely beating Coleman, beating an old worn out Chuck and losing to machida does not make you top P4P.

Even if he were to win the rematch he still has a long way to go before claiming top P4P..

**and I'll pick Silva to beat Shogun anyway.
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No I wouldn't say that! For me both Lyoto and Shogun would give Anderson a hell of a tough fight.

The winnner? very hard to tell!

Anderson never fought anybody with so much skill. With Vitor he is still not there.

I guess a 100 leg kicks didn't empress me enough to jump on the Shogun Wagon.....

And as much as i love Lyoto i wouldn't want to see him fight Anderson, because i wouldn't be confident that Machida would be able to use his skills effectively against Andersons counter fighting skills....

Its all just opinion so i don't expect to change any minds because i think a certain way, but for me personally Shogun hasn't fought that big a competition in UFC , Liddell being his biggest fight ain't saying much....

So he comes to UFC loses to Forrest, comes back supposedly ready, almost loses to Coleman, and looks tired as hell, then was losing to Liddell till he KO'ed him.

Then kicks Lyoto a 100 times and stops Lyoto from moving like he normally does, and still loses the fight....

If he couldn't finish a Machida that was barely able to move, he ain't finishing him the second time around... And with that said, i see a TKO/KO from Machida, you heard it here first!

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Umm, what? You do realise Anderson switches between 185 and 205 yes? If Machida/Nog weren't title contenders there he'd probably title hunt at 205 also.

Which p4p fighter isn't he up there with exactly? He looked incredible against Chuck and Lyoto, and if he returns and beats Lyoto handily he'll definitely be in alot of peoples top 5 p4p lists and would give any top LHW in the world a huge run for their money.
silva won't lose his title, and if Rua supposedly beats Machida (highly unlikely) then Rua/Silva won't happen.

And just because he beat an over the hill Liddel means nothing. The same Liddel that's lost 4 of his last 5. And he couldn't even finish Machida. Used negative tactics to leg kick Machida all fight, yet when the time came he wouldn't even go for the win

I don't see that as being in the top bracket. If he returns to the form ge had in Pride, and beats Machida convincingly then yes i'll admit fault. Until then I stand by my words
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Would Shogun drop to middleweight if he loses twice to Machida?
I wish this would happen, the MW division needs a boost and that would certainly deliver, could be an excellent move for someone like Thiago Silva also.
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What makes you think Rua and Silva will fight when they both hold titles in different divisions. Makes no sense. One fighter would have to switch divisions, and if that is going to happen I'd much rather see GSP-Silva. Shogun is good, but not up with the best p4p fighters anymore.
Personally, I disagree. If BJ can get a shot at being the best p4p as well as a two division champ holding belt at two weight classes, why not Anderson? He is just as every bit as good and better. Shogun by many people's thoughts was the best LHW on the planet. He suffered injuries and dropped fights to Forrest, looked shitty against Coleman, though, he mangled Liddell & looked impressive in defeat against Machida in a fight many felt he won. I think Shogun has good enough stand up, chin not to get knocked out, naturally fought at LHW his whole life mostly and has great subs. If Leites can take him down, Shogun could for sure. I think Anderson has good enough subs. Not sure if this fight would last long or be a stalemate like Machida/Shogun I. I want to see this fight badly but, while Anderson is in top form. I think he is on the decline but, I hope I am wrong.
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People throw the phrase "P4P" around way too much these days. Shogun is a top LHW no doubt about that but at this point he is not top P4P at all. losing to Forrest, barely beating Coleman, beating an old worn out Chuck and losing to machida does not make you top P4P.

Even if he were to win the rematch he still has a long way to go before claiming top P4P..

**and I'll pick Silva to beat Shogun anyway.
I could be wrong but, I think styles make fights. Stylistically, Shogun could hang with Silva better in the stand up then anyone that has fought him in the UFC. Vitor will be a legit test though, I pick Silva. Like I said, I bank on Anderson but, if Leites, Lutter, Franklin, Hendo can take Silva down, Shogun can as well. I think Shogun arguably has the best or second best bjj at LHW. It would be spectacular while it lasted or a technical decision. I want to see this.
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