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Old 02-11-2010, 12:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Idk dude, he fought Machida 6 months after he fought Liddell, thats not enough time for some brand new Shogun thats so much better then the Shogun that beat Liddell.

Just because Shoguns style goes good against Machida's elusive fighting style doesn't mean he can do the same to Anderson, OR do it again to Machida a second time....

I agree he is still growing but he hasn't showed us anything to indicate he can take on someone like Anderson Silva....

Its a simple call imo

I think that is harshhhhh. I disagree. I love mma as a whole but, I am die hard Pride fan. Shogun was spectacular and recognized as the legit best LHW p4p in the world and was in the top 5 maybe 3 in the world back in 07. He suffered some serious career threatening injures and in my opinion, he is back in top form. Yes, Machida stylistically didn't match up well for Shogun, he underestimated Shogun as Machida's father predicted this fight easier then the Evans fight, Machida broke his hand, never found Shogun's timing, and Shogun was spectacular though, he should have did more. I personally believe, Shogun neutralized a lot of Machida's abilities though, he never did enough to guarantee victory. It could have gone either way. Injury free, I can see Shogun beating anyone out there. I would pick Anderson though, Silva is at 35/36 and on the decline in my opinion though, it hasn't showed. Slowed reflexes could make him fall prey to Vitor. I hope not.

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Old 02-11-2010, 05:23 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I think that is harshhhhh. I disagree. I love mma as a whole but, I am die hard Pride fan. Shogun was spectacular and recognized as the legit best LHW p4p in the world and was in the top 5 maybe 3 in the world back in 07. He suffered some serious career threatening injures and in my opinion, he is back in top form. Yes, Machida stylistically didn't match up well for Shogun, he underestimated Shogun as Machida's father predicted this fight easier then the Evans fight, Machida broke his hand, never found Shogun's timing, and Shogun was spectacular though, he should have did more. I personally believe, Shogun neutralized a lot of Machida's abilities though, he never did enough to guarantee victory. It could have gone either way. Injury free, I can see Shogun beating anyone out there. I would pick Anderson though, Silva is at 35/36 and on the decline in my opinion though, it hasn't showed. Slowed reflexes could make him fall prey to Vitor. I hope not.

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What do u Disagree with? I know that Shogun was known as the top LHW in the world, and we both agree that Shogun just wasn't good against Machida stylisticly, but i think Machida isn't going to underestimate him the second time and counter the way he should of the first fight.

And i think a healthy Shogun at that level can beat anyone aswell, i just think its a easy/safe call to say Anderson would pick him apart.
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I needed to watch the fight more than 5 times to actually see the counters Machida through. He landed a hell lot in this fight, it was just to quick and to overshadowed from Ruas attacks wich were easier to follow.

Do you remember the post from Coldcall? Where he posted a whole thread with pics from Lyoto punching Rua with big counter bombs? Trust me it was a close fight^^
Well up front it looks like he lands a bunch of counters, but he doesnt. His counter kicks were much more effective and accurate than his punches. Machida just didn't land very much at all, not just his counters.

I dunno, I've seen a lot closer and almost everyone agrees shogun was horribly robbed. Even two of the three judges thought it was a bad call after re-watching the fight.
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Old 02-12-2010, 12:11 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Some of you are so full of it.

Shogun would get TKO'd by Silva? Give me a break.

I have stated this before, and will continue to bring it up. When, if ever, has Anderson had to fight someone with great standup? Never.

Dan Henderson? No. Hendo has a good chin and lots of power in that right hand, that's it. Bisping was beating his ass in that 2nd round until Dan caught him.

Chris Leben? You're joking.

Nate Marquardt? Uh, no.

Rich Franklin? IMO just like Hendo.

Forrest Griffin? Decent chin, sloppy striking.

Since the Vitor fight is off, it has still not been proven that Anderson is this "insane" stand up fighter. Everyone gives him credit for being so good, but REAL skill is shown when beating a guy who is just as dangerous on the feet as you. Anderson Silva HAS NOT done that.

Shogun has beaten TOP NOTCH strikers. He absolutely mauled Quinton Jackson, beat Chuck Liddell who IMO is more dangerous a striker than ANYONE Anderson has beaten, KO'd Overeem, beat Lil Nog who's boxing is incredible, and he BEAT Lyoto Machida. He won that fight, only Machida fans disagree.

Quit using the MMA Math with the whole, Silva tooled Forrest who beat Shogun non sense as well. Shogun's knee was completely f'd up prior to that, he couldn't train and gassed. If his cardio had been up he would have never gassed and lost to Griffin. The Mark Coleman fight, eh, he had an off night. The same can be said in regards to Silva's "close call" against Travis Lutter. Yes, Silva won that fight, but he was almost finished.

Anderson Silva is overrated, he's good not great. It just shows the UFC MW division is garbage and that the LHW division is that much better.

Shogun wins.

IMO Machida would beat Silva as well.
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Well up front it looks like he lands a bunch of counters, but he doesnt. His counter kicks were much more effective and accurate than his punches. Machida just didn't land very much at all, not just his counters.

I dunno, I've seen a lot closer and almost everyone agrees shogun was horribly robbed. Even two of the three judges thought it was a bad call after re-watching the fight.
Well xeberus it seems like that you have a very strong believe in that, so I won't continue to try to convince you my friend^^

I saw those pictures, thats all I can say!
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Old 02-12-2010, 01:17 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Well xeberus it seems like that you have a very strong believe in that, so I won't continue to try to convince you my friend^^

I saw those pictures, thats all I can say!
You saw pictures? OH! You mean the 4 pictures of Machida actually landing shots on Shogun? Would you like for me to bring in all of the pictures I have of the opposite happening?

I do not think so my friend.
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Old 02-12-2010, 01:41 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Some of you are so full of it.

Shogun would get TKO'd by Silva? Give me a break.

I have stated this before, and will continue to bring it up. When, if ever, has Anderson had to fight someone with great standup? Never.

Dan Henderson? No. Hendo has a good chin and lots of power in that right hand, that's it. Bisping was beating his ass in that 2nd round until Dan caught him.

Chris Leben? You're joking.

Nate Marquardt? Uh, no.

Rich Franklin? IMO just like Hendo.

Forrest Griffin? Decent chin, sloppy striking.

Since the Vitor fight is off, it has still not been proven that Anderson is this "insane" stand up fighter. Everyone gives him credit for being so good, but REAL skill is shown when beating a guy who is just as dangerous on the feet as you. Anderson Silva HAS NOT done that.

Shogun has beaten TOP NOTCH strikers. He absolutely mauled Quinton Jackson, beat Chuck Liddell who IMO is more dangerous a striker than ANYONE Anderson has beaten, KO'd Overeem, beat Lil Nog who's boxing is incredible, and he BEAT Lyoto Machida. He won that fight, only Machida fans disagree.

Quit using the MMA Math with the whole, Silva tooled Forrest who beat Shogun non sense as well. Shogun's knee was completely f'd up prior to that, he couldn't train and gassed. If his cardio had been up he would have never gassed and lost to Griffin. The Mark Coleman fight, eh, he had an off night. The same can be said in regards to Silva's "close call" against Travis Lutter. Yes, Silva won that fight, but he was almost finished.

Anderson Silva is overrated, he's good not great. It just shows the UFC MW division is garbage and that the LHW division is that much better.

Shogun wins.

IMO Machida would beat Silva as well.


Everything u just said is just 100% pure Personal opinion so where do u get off saying other people are FULL OF IT, when there just STATING there opinion JUST LIKE U ARE?!

I swear dude u just want to start shit more then actually debate


And blindly saying Anderson cant fight great strikers, when he is known as one of the best strikers in UFC, and has ONLY dominated every guy he has ever fought.....

So judging off his Pure Dominance where does Shogun become a better Striker???


So were going off watching how CHUCK LIDDELL was beating Shogun in stiking until the KO shot, and even MARK COLEMAN landed some nasty shots and almost KO'ed him.... I think Anderson MIGHT be able to pull strikes off and finish him if Coleman even lands one big hit .....

And even if Chuck is a better striker then Nate, that doesn't mean he is as good as Anderson.... Rashad, and Rampage both KO'ed Liddell does that make them better strikers then Anderson.... No

So all your saying is blind opinion and assuming Shogun can stand with Anderson, and saying how people are full of it for giving there Opinion.... Great...
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You saw pictures? OH! You mean the 4 pictures of Machida actually landing shots on Shogun? Would you like for me to bring in all of the pictures I have of the opposite happening?

I do not think so my friend.
Those pics were just a little example for all the blind guys here who said every counter was blocked anyway from Shogun..lol yea right

Lyoto landed a lot more in that fight, but why should I waste my time here to argue that fact?? Machida won thats all what matters for me and he will win the rematch as well!

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Those pics were just a little example for all the blind guys here who said every counter was blocked anyway from Shogun..lol yea right

Lyoto landed a lot more in that fight, but why should I waste my time here to argue that fact?? Machida won thats all what matters for me and he will win the rematch as well!

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Those pics were just a little example for all the blind guys here who said every counter was blocked anyway from Shogun..lol yea right

Lyoto landed a lot more in that fight, but why should I waste my time here to argue that fact?? Machida won thats all what matters for me and he will win the rematch as well!

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