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Old 02-19-2010, 01:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I have a feeling Brock wouldn't have the chance to score a takedown against a few fighters in lower weight divisions because of their raw power. I think Rampage might be able to KO Brock, A.Silva probably could too. Other than that I totally agree, but if there is someone who could beat him from a lower weight class they'd have to be lightning fast and Flash KO Brock or just be extremely mobile (Machida?) to stay out of his way until they catch him. The one person in my mind who can do that (and probably WOULD) is Silva.


I say Silva wins free weight.

Lmfao, Silva has never faced a top striker or top wrestler but he could beat anyone in the UFC? C'mon.
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Old 02-19-2010, 01:26 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I wouldnt call him uninterested in that fight, He bulked up because he had no choice, he said he cant compete with Lesnar if he remains at his current size. I wouldnt say Lesnar's striking game is bad, He got hit with a good knee, if you get hit with a clean knee like that, you will most likely got rocked no matter who you are... I havent seen Lesnar get rocked in a pure standup match yet, but he also didnt face any power KO fighters like you said.
He didn't look like he thought he needed to train to beat Lesnar again, I would call that uninterested.

As far as Lesnar's striking, I'm reserving judgment until he is forced to stand with someone. All of his fights go from touch gloves to the mat in five seconds, where his size just suffocates guys. In the second Mir fight Lesnar looked a little bit like the white mummy, just stalking forward trying to grab Mir and take him back to the ground. So I really don't know how well rounded Lesnar is, for lack of a better non cliche phrase, no one has taken Brock into the deep water yet, so I don't know if he can swim.
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Ok, so I've just been watching the DVD extras on the Renzo Gracie documentary, Legacy, and in one BJ is talking about weight classes, giving out and saying they shouldn't exist because martial arts has always been about the big guy fighting the little guy, etc, etc.

SO... if, hypothetically, the UFC decided to introduce a free, open weight competition who would win and why?
I don't agree that Martial Arts has been about the 'little guy defeating the big guy'- its always been about developing mostly unarmed combat. Never see a dojo that said "Sorry we only train little guys, you can't join"

Adn please don't bring up Royce Gracie fighting mega-cans with FAKE credentials early on.

Lesnar would win. He does what he does incredibly well, despite what it looks like. After his first match many posters here stated his GnP was "Pitter-patter" I think has been disproved, among others Mir's face would argue that those hammerfists and punches do really hurt.

Skill level being high size does make a difference, weight plays an advantage. Add speed to catch lighter weights, power to hurt HW's and I just don't see anyone else beating Brock in open-weight.
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Old 02-19-2010, 01:32 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I would say Lesnar, Mir, or Nog.

Machida, Silva, and GSP (assuming they trained for it and put on some weight) would all have a solid chance as well though.
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Old 02-19-2010, 01:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Saying martial arts is about big vs. little is soooo wrong. MA's help a little guy beat a big guy with technical superiority. Not a small difference in skill though, a big one. Once you are facing all professionals who are all highly skilled, size becomes a huge factor again. Certainly BJ or GSP is technically superior to Lesnar but enough to compensate for a 100 pound weight differential? No chance.

There is a very good reason we have weight classes.

It would almost certainly be a HW who won an open tournament, although some LHW's would have a good shot. Anyone below LHW, forget it, go home.
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Honestly, if it wasn't a HW, it'd be Machida (this isn't nuthugging, I swear there's some logic)

Machida is about the only guy in all of MMA (that I know of) who trains TDD against sumo wrestlers. And what is Lesner compared to Machida, but sumo sized. The only major difference between a sumo style clinch and a Lesner takedown is, obviously, his speed as well as where he grabs when he goes in.

Honestly his striking is great. And he's the second most ellusive fighter in all MMA, if anyone is ellusive enough to evade the takedown and keep the fight standing, its Machida.

But if he gets taken down, hello loss!
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I see a lot of people saying anderson would win. Well that depends. When silva fought nate, lutter and henderson they all got him down pretty easily and managed to do so without being KO'd. Lesnar is bigger, stronger, far better wrestling, far better take downs and a good chin. I don't see anderson getting the KO punch against brock before he gets taken down. And make no mistake if brock got anderson down it would be over that round.

Lyoto has shown great takedown defense against tito. However brock has a lot better take downs, better wrestling oh and 60lbs of muscle on tito. The difference between brock fighting anderson and brock fighting machida in my book is that machida has a far lesser chance of getting that lucky KO before being taken down. I see brock destroying lyoto rather easily.

I think it would be about the same against anyone else. I think maybe the new mir or nog would have a sort of fair chance at beating brock.


Now granted if this was same night tourney style, someone could very well beat brock due to fatigue. Carrying all that muscle around wears you down no matter how good cardio you have.
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Old 02-19-2010, 02:55 PM   #28 (permalink)
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really depends on what the brackets were.

if brock ends up in a part of the bracket thats top heavy then whos to say he can keep up?

if someone like lyoto or silva or rua happens to not draw a heavy or wins their first fight or two easy, they may come to the 3rd fight totally game against a completely gassed out heavyweight!
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Old 02-19-2010, 05:12 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Who would win these Round 1 matchups in a freeweight tournament ?

Brock Lesnar
Demian Maia

Frank Mir
Mauricio Shogun Rua

Anderson Silva
GSP

Lyoto Machida
Chael Sonnen

Thiago Alves
Rashad Evans

BJ Penn
Jon Fitch

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Cain Velazquez
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The matchups would dictate the winner IMO a guy like JDS could go all the way if he can avoid Lesnar, Carwin and Cain.

I would personally take Cain in this kind of event, especially if you had to fight more then 1 time in a night. He is a freak of nature when it comes to cardio and would have an extreme advantage esp against the smaller weightclasses. He would need to avoid Brock to really have a strong chance but i would still love to see that matchup.

Are we doing tourny style with more then 1 match a night?? Perhaps all on 1 night?? That changes everything IMO and guys that are too big lose alot of their value which is why you see some LHWs and smaller HWs win OWGP before. Coleman was considered a monster back then but now he really is a small HW.
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