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Old 02-23-2010, 11:50 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I dont think he wants to leave the UK....and there really arent too many camps to switch to there, plus Dana loses his magnet to the UK fans if he leaves the UK, the fans will still love him, but having a UFC fighter that lives and trains in the UK is huge for the UFC....

As far as Daley and Hardy, they perhaps could fill this void if Mike decided to move to the states but i dont think it will happen, he seems content where he is and very sure of himself still....

Maybe some additional trainers????
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:25 PM   #22 (permalink)
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He should just train at rough house, all those guys are sick strikers and thats the area he needs work on.
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He just isnt good enough to break into the top tier. No subs, pillow hands, and a tendency to back up make him fairly ineffective.
Hes never been a fighter who will really exchange and throw down, he never plants his feet and gets any weight behind his punches.
I'm done with Bisping, I'm English, and am very glad to see a few other fighters breaking through. For me, Etim is the best of the bunch. I love Hardy, love his attitude and approach to fighting, big fan of Daley, Winner, Hathaway and Pearson as well. I doubt Bisping will ever really make an impact in his division, he seemed humble in his post fight interview after beating Kang, and I though hed learn his lesson of not flapping his gums before his next fight, but he just continued to big himself up, talking about knovking out training partners etc, then when it comes time to fight, he backs up and never throws a punch with any menace.
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I still hang on to the hope that he can rise above, the most alarming factor I found about his loss to Wandi was how ineffective his take downs where, Wandi was able to get back up way to easy while Bisping was unable to do any damage and that worried me about what could be a major flaw in his all round game.

Still I feel there is a chance he can improve and compete amongst the best in the MW division, another fault I though tin his last fight was that I thought he showed Wandi a little to much respect, I think he was worried to much about what people think about him and wanted to show that he does have respect for other fighter more than he was looking to go in for the kill and try to finish his opponent.

I think you have to respect Bisping for wanting to fight top opponent, I say give him what he wants let him fight Nate Marquardt next, both coming off losses so its a fair balanced match up current standings wise, both have it all to fight for giving Bisping a real chance to redeem himself as a contender.
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bispings main problem is that he's not willing to take risks in his fights. his stick and move strategy might work against the lower bracket fighters but if he's ever going to become a contender he needs to really work on his power.

bispings ground game is underrated though, he has great gnp but as wand showed he's not strong enough to keep fighters down for long. he's good off his back as well, he never takes much damage and is always staying active.

his wrestling is average to say the least, but he times his shots very well. everytime he took wand down was because he caught wand completely off guard.

if bisping can gain some strength and improve on his wrestling he may be able to crack the top 10. until then as you say he'll just be a solid fighter who isn't going to be a contender anytime soon.
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Never been a big fan since Bisping celebrated what was clearly a loss vs Hammil. That said, I do see the guy starting to grow up a bit. I think he probably regretted the mouthing off he did before the Hendo fight (ouch!) and even went so far as to talk about how much he respected Vandy in the pre-fight press conference and referred to him as a legend if I remember correctly. That's the kind of maturity and respect for your opponent that might let Bisping get to the next level.
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bispings main problem is that he's not willing to take risks in his fights. his stick and move strategy might work against the lower bracket fighters but if he's ever going to become a contender he needs to really work on his power.

bispings ground game is underrated though, he has great gnp but as wand showed he's not strong enough to keep fighters down for long. he's good off his back as well, he never takes much damage and is always staying active.

his wrestling is average to say the least, but he times his shots very well. everytime he took wand down was because he caught wand completely off guard.

if bisping can gain some strength and improve on his wrestling he may be able to crack the top 10. until then as you say he'll just be a solid fighter who isn't going to be a contender anytime soon.

Did he call out Nate??? Or express an intrest even in fighting him, I mean Nate looked like shit against Chael, but I gotta believe he will beat Bisping.....not the best "call out" if Mike did so...IMHO...I also agree the circling and soft jabs for easy points arent gonna cut it, frankly that has gotten him as far as its going too.....I think coming over the pond and training here will be in his best intrests, I suspect he will need to lose a few more to have this reinfoced into his mind.....Im sure Randy could "tune him up a lil"....
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Good post. Bispinng needs to change camps, they are obviously responsible for his game planning and it needs to change. I actually think Bisping does have power, hes just far too gunshy on fight night and is trained poorly.
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Yea that camp is a joke. Bisping blah, look at what they have done with Kongo. Rampage is Rampage wherever he goes, but they haven't really improved his game any.
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He just isnt good enough to break into the top tier. No subs, pillow hands, and a tendency to back up make him fairly ineffective.
Hes never been a fighter who will really exchange and throw down, he never plants his feet and gets any weight behind his punches.
I'm done with Bisping, I'm English, and am very glad to see a few other fighters breaking through. For me, Etim is the best of the bunch. I love Hardy, love his attitude and approach to fighting, big fan of Daley, Winner, Hathaway and Pearson as well. I doubt Bisping will ever really make an impact in his division, he seemed humble in his post fight interview after beating Kang, and I though hed learn his lesson of not flapping his gums before his next fight, but he just continued to big himself up, talking about knovking out training partners etc, then when it comes time to fight, he backs up and never throws a punch with any menace.

Maybe he should train here: http://www.mmaforum.com/general-mma-...ugh-house.html



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Great post by the OP. I have a couple British friends and they are so insanely biased towards Michael Bisping it is sickening.
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My problem with Michael Bisping is the distinct lack of progession in his Mixed Martial Arts game. He's been talking a good game in the build up to his more recent fights, and been looking good in training, but he can't seem to translate that into fight performances. If you look at the way one of his earlier opponents has improved, Rashad Evans. Evans has gone from a straight wrestler to a well-rounded mixed martial artist, with impressive boxing to back up his high level wrestling, he's getting better and better. Bisping's not really added anything of note to his game, except marginally better wrestling and jiu-jitsu. His striking seems to have shown zero progression. He changed his stance to more of a boxing stance for the Silva fight, and we'd been hearing about his new found KO power, but where was it? Once again he looked gun-shy, scared to throw his power into his shots and the change only had aesthetic benefits.

I don't know what Mike can do to make it up to the next level. He seems to be improving technically in training, and we've seen that in his Countdown videos and from what we've been hearing from his camp, but he can't seem to put it together in a fight situation, which gives the impression that he actually hasn't improved. He's still beating the mid-level MW fighters, like he was early in his UFC career, but he never looks like handing a beating to a top level fighter. He's capable of sticking and moving and out-pointing opponents (he won the 1st round against Henderson, and was winning the Wandy fight until the last 20 seconds AFAIC), but he can't seem to get the job done, and is yet to convincingly beat a top level fighter.

As far as I can see, Bisping's issues must be mental. There must be something on a subconscious level that's stopping him putting his new found tools on the table against the top level of competition. I think he could really improve his game by getting a sport psychologist or even a sport hypnotherapist in to discover what exactly is stopping him upping his game and moving up to that next level. Moving camp could help to some extent, but if the mental fragilities are there (and I believe they are), then moving camp probably won't get him upto that next level and will only help him improve to a small extent.
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