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post #91 of 112 (permalink) Old 02-22-2010, 05:15 PM
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Fedor has fought and won against several guys who has been UFC champs. Happy?
Yep! Fedor has been defeated several ex-ufc cans from a joke of a HW division that was exposed by a natural LHW in Couture.

Er, that IS what you meant, right?
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Would Cain then be ranked above Fedor?? Could we even dare to dream it without being excommunicated from MMA??
You'll be hearing from the Vatican

Honestly, regardless of a paper resume and assuming Fedor never steps foot into a UFC Octagon, I still think he'd remain lamented in history as honorary best of all time. The situation you set up, I'd have a hard time not agreeing with, but at the same time, you can't just be better then Fedor on paper to get the, "I'm ranked above Fedor" respect. I would say on paper I'd agree with your theoretical notion, but I'd still say, "Fedor would win in a fight," unless proven otherwise.
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SOME guys fight in the UFC a few times and are out, but there are very few fighters who have less than 20+ bouts that retire. Many UFC fighters, if they aren't cut, stay until they retire, which in many cases is a long time.
No there are several fighters that has less than 20 fights.. Don't make me count them.. The awrege UFC guy don't have 20 fights in the UFC..
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Fedor has done that, but in no way, shape or for is he now. If he wanted to fight the best in the world at their best, he would've fought Randy in the UFC 4 years ago when he wanted to and he'd be over in the UFC right now fighting guys like Mir (who is obviously near his peak), Brock, who is only getting better, JDS who is turning into one of hte best strikers the HW division has seen in a LONG time and the like.
So the point is UFC has some good fighters?? Its not like The guys Brett Rogers or Fabricio Werdum are crappy fighters.. Its just that they isn't in the UFC, but they are UFC standard.
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Hendo was 3-2 in the UFC. 2 of those wins came by decision, one of those Split that I still think he lost (Franklin, who is far from a new guy he'd be knocking the shit out of). The only person he "Knocked the shit out of" is Bisping who is far from being top of the UFC's class.
Dosn't sound that crappy to me.. Considering that being 3-1 Brock Lessnar makes you the #1 in the world.. Thats about when Dana was pushing for the "fact" that Brock is the best ever.
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Rogers WEIGHS as much as Brock but is nowhere NEAR his size. Rogers is pudgy and tall while Brock is Stocky and built like a brick wall. Brock is almost all muscle. There is no WAY Brett could even hope to compare to him in strength or size. Let alone talent.
You know for a fact that Brock is stronger? having visible muscles don't makes you strong necessary, look at body-builders, a lot of crappy muscle-mass..
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Rogers is #3 HW in the world? Seriously? You think he would beat (judging by rankings across many MMA sites) Mir, Cain, JDS, Carwin and Nog? That's a joke. Brett is a brawler with little technical ability outside of his jab and sub defense, there's a reason he's ranked #7 last time I checked, which was BEFORE he fought Fedor. HE would get crushed in the UFC's HW division.
Rogers would probably have a good chance at beating Mir, Cain, JDS, Carwin and Nog.. Yes.

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Yep! Fedor has been defeated several ex-ufc cans from a joke of a HW division that was exposed by a natural LHW in Couture.

Er, that IS what you meant, right?
Lets just agree to disagree. Who cares. Fedor may be #1 or may not be.. Its hard to tell who is #1.. Brock is pretty unproven, and what condition he is in right now is unknown to me. Cain may be the next big thing.. I can buy that..

But Cain needs to prove it some more against heavier names if I'm going to start thinking that.. Anyway, I'm out of this discussion now since I don't think its going anywhere.. Have a happy day.
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Yep! Fedor has been defeated several ex-ufc cans from a joke of a HW division that was exposed by a natural LHW in Couture.

Er, that IS what you meant, right?
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Lets just agree to disagree. Who cares. Fedor may be #1 or may not be.. Its hard to tell who is #1.. Brock is pretty unproven, and what condition he is in right now is unknown to me. Cain may be the next big thing.. I can buy that..

But Cain needs to prove it some more against heavier names if I'm going to start thinking that.. Anyway, I'm out of this discussion now since I don't think its going anywhere.. Have a happy day.
I would love to agree to disagree with a genuine Fedor fan. That would be a first.
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No sarcasm. I think Dana would love put BC in with Cain. It's no worse that JDS Gonzaga. They guy has a ton of experience and is the UF. And Dana wants to shut his mouth. The only other option is the bench Cain for 6-9 months.
BC has fought NO ONE
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Why do you guys think other fighters show Fedor such respect?
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Why do you guys think other fighters show Fedor such respect?
the same reason fighters show Cain so much i guess. Dana tells them to?? lol

obv the fighters know wtf is up. Fedor is obv no joke and could beat most UFC HWs. The only question logical ppl really have is, can he beat all of the top UFCs HWs??
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UFC HW div is a Joke ,who is this Carwin person people keep talking about ? is he the one that was completely getting dominated by Gonzaga and then got one lucky punch in?

Fedor was and still is the PRIDE HW Champion of the World ,while Brock was reading scripts on how to lose to the Undertaker.

Rothwell took like 20 punches in the face by Cain, do u honestly think that Cain has a chance against Fedor crazy Haymakers?

The only fight that i would want to see is Brock vs Fedor because everyone wants to see that.
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Fedor was and still is the PRIDE HW Champion of the World ,while Brock was reading scripts on how to lose to the Undertaker.
lol that is priceless
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