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Old 02-22-2010, 04:39 PM   #71 (permalink)
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That I'll give Cain, he would not be intimidated by Fedor. Right now I see the UFC HWs as:

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#6) Carwin
damn, spot on IMO. it sucks that the real top 2 guys cant fight for the shot and give Brock longer to recover.

If Carwin beats Mir, i will not complain about his title shot, its not really fair but neither is life.

Mir getting a bunch of title shots mostly because he runs his mouth alot kind of sucks. 6 fights and 3 against the same person?? has that even happened before to start a career??

JDS deserves all props he has gotten. I keep hoping somebody will "expose" him but he hasnt shown me anything to make me believe it would be easy. If he faces a wrestler ill be convinced as some of u seem to be.

Nog deserves more respect then he is getting. Ppl one day will say the same thing about his loss to Cain as they did for his losses to Fedor. Doesnt really change the fact the man is a top fighter, a true champion and one of the greatest ever.
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Old 02-22-2010, 04:39 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Yep! I think Dakota totally destroyed you in that debate.

So, SR, when I listed several UFC fighters I thought Fedor would beat, did that not sink in at all?

Are you really this into Fedor? Man! Dude you are seriously unhinged. Unstable.
What? He apologized and we dropped it. What exactly did he destroy, trollminian? Its fine to think that the entire UFC roster could beat Fedor, but give facts as to why no one to date has yet? You did think Grim would win, right? Give me an example of a post where I am "seriously unhinged"
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Old 02-22-2010, 04:41 PM   #73 (permalink)
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All of Fedor opponents have been destroyed in more impressive fashion by UFC HW's. Babalu, Mirko, Nog, Coleman, Randelmann, you name them. Common opponents show Fedor would suffer the same fate as the rest of the Pride HW's. Fedor was king of a time when HW's weren't that strong and frankly weren't true HW's. I would take 5 UFC HW's against Fedor. He's ducking competition. He should retire or take on the best league. Frankly, I think he should retire. Even if he loses in the UFC, the excuses of age will abound.
Lol man, Guys like Nog is still relevant in the UFC. I don't think you get it..

Fedor fought these guys at a different time, during their PRIME. Most guys in the UFC fight a few times then they are out.. Fighters usually get worse after time, however not all, cro cop is one of those that got worse.

You can't take away Brocks win against Mir (who is a great fighter), just cus he keeps fighting 5-10 years more and ends up looking like a can.. Fighting the best when they are at their best proves that you are the best..

And Fedor has done that, and still is.. You say fighters today are so much stronger, bs, how come Pride guys like Hendo still knock the sh* out of most UFC guys? Fedor btw recently fought a guy as big as Brock called Brett Rogers, with probably a comparable strenght.. And won. Brett is probably a top 3 HW. Most likley he would shake the UFC HW division badly, just as Fedor could..
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Lol man, Guys like Nog is still relevant in the UFC. I don't think you get it..

Fedor fought these guys at a different time, during their PRIME. Most guys in the UFC fight a few times then they are out.. Fighters usually get worse after time, however not all, cro cop is one of those that got worse.

You can't take away Brocks win against Mir (who is a great fighter), just cus he keeps fighting 5-10 years more and ends up looking like a can.. Fighting the best when they are at their best proves that you are the best..

And Fedor has done that, and still is.. You say fighters today are so much stronger, bs, how come Pride guys like Hendo still knock the sh* out of most UFC guys? Fedor btw recently fought a guy as big as Brock called Brett Rogers, with probably a comparable strenght.. And won. Brett is probably a top 3 HW. Most likley he would shake the UFC HW division badly, just as Fedor could..

Fedor KOd Sylvia, AA, and Grim...and he is not even a KO guy, necessarily, he is more of a Sambo guy. Yes I know he choked out Sylvia but his punches are what set him up for it. Again its fine to place the UFC elite ~ Nog, JDS, Carwin, Cain, Brock, Mir...on a pedestal but to dismiss Fedor entirely is borderline direspectful. But like I said I completely missed the boat on Cain so maybe I am wrong here too?
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dont listen to him, "fedor should retire" is the most idiotic statement i have read in a while.

and you know what, time will tell, I will laugh my ass off how fast ppl will change their opinion after their "best HW' loses a few fights.
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Brock, Cain, Mir and JDS are all better right now then anybody Fedor beat in their primes.

Its called evolution ppl. When a sport is young and not many ppl compete in it during the early years you get shitty competition compared to when it is growing and you are getting a much bigger talent pool and much better pure athletes.

Do you think Jim Brown would run all over the NFL now if he were in his prime?? No, he would be an average back at best. It doesnt take away from what he did... BACK THEN.

Well MMA is so new that the evolution is literally just years. In a few years some young bucks will come in and do this all over again. Guys we think are well rounded and good striking now will be overwhelmed. Just like the old guard is overwhelmed now.
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Brock, Cain, Mir and JDS are all better right now then anybody Fedor beat in their primes.

Its called evolution ppl. When a sport is young and not many ppl compete in it during the early years you get shitty competition compared to when it is growing and you are getting a much bigger talent pool and much better pure athletes.

Do you think Jim Brown would run all over the NFL now if he were in his prime?? No, he would be an average back at best. It doesnt take away from what he did... BACK THEN.

Well MMA is so new that the evolution is literally just years. In a few years some young bucks will come in and do this all over again. Guys we think are well rounded and good striking now will be overwhelmed. Just like the old guard is overwhelmed now.
I don't know about Jim Brown but if he were alive now, Ty Cobb would trash BJ Penn...LOL

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What? He apologized and we dropped it.
He apologized for calling you a nuthugger, but he didn't take back his argument about Carwin. He stood by it. I think he was right (on both accounts).
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He apologized for calling you a nuthugger, but he didn't take back his argument about Carwin. He stood by it. I think he was right (on both accounts).
And thats perfectly acceptable and he and alizio could be right, unlike you I admit when I am wrong. I was incorrect about Cain and yeah he could give Fedor problems. Do I still think Fedor would win? Yes. Do I think he should retire? No. Not bad for a seriously unhinged guy eh?

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And thats perfectly acceptable and he and alizio could be right, unlike you I admit when I am wrong. I was incorrect about Cain and yeah he could give Fedor problems. Do I still think Fedor would win? Yes. Do I think he should retire? No. Not bad for a seriously unhinged guy eh?

Not bad, there may be hope for you.
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