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Old 02-25-2010, 11:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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i think mousasi has a shot but aoki and melendez just haven't faced the same comp as bj and anybody apart from lesnar who is the champ in the ufc is the #1 guy in there weight class, would you say that there is anybody else out there who is better than silva or gsp in there class?
Nope. Totally agree with you. GSP, A. Silva, and Penn all own their respective weight class in or out of the UFC. Im just saying that since there are multiple organizations and a lot of times these fighters don't get a shot at each other, it leaves room for speculation regardless of who they fought.

Its just that in the article the guy was implying there is always one defined champ. I may know. You may know. But what about Joe Blow who sees three different champs in a division and can't tell the difference? (although in reality he'd only have heard about the UFC so thats probably not the best argument)
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:56 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It's definitely refreshing to read such an article.

I was thinking about the issue at hand and realized something. Boxing and WWE failed when it became more about business than sport. Sure, there is business in sport, but it isn't sport anymore once you focus on the business part rather than the sport, it becomes entertainment. I don't want MMA to ever go down that road.
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Old 02-25-2010, 11:58 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Nope. Totally agree with you. GSP, A. Silva, and Penn all own their respective weight class in or out of the UFC. Im just saying that since there are multiple organizations and a lot of times these fighters don't get a shot at each other, it leaves room for speculation regardless of who they fought.

Its just that in the article the guy was implying there is always one defined champ. I may know. You may know. But what about Joe Blow who sees three different champs in a division and can't tell the difference? (although in reality he'd only have heard about the UFC so thats probably not the best argument)
yeah you answered your own question lol but what he really means is, it's that there too many weight classes in boxing you got junior middleweight, middlewieight super middlewight and thats pretty much the same with every class and than on top of that you have about 50 billion different titles in each div.

while in the UFC you only have HW,LHW,MW,WW,LW so it is pretty definite

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Old 02-26-2010, 12:02 AM   #14 (permalink)
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It's definitely refreshing to read such an article.

I was thinking about the issue at hand and realized something. Boxing and WWE failed when it became more about business than sport. Sure, there is business in sport, but it isn't sport anymore once you focus on the business part rather than the sport, it becomes entertainment. I don't want MMA to ever go down that road.
yeah but mma has the same system as WWE and thats why so many people hate dana, id say dana is about 60% bus. and 40% mma but sometimes he is all about mma and than other times he is all about bus.
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yeah but mma has the same system as WWE and thats why so many people hate dana, id say dana is about 60% bus. and 40% mma but sometimes he is all about mma and than other times he is all about bus.
That's what bothers me. Dana is always about business, but he's slick and tries to do it seamlessly. If he didn't, the UFC wouldn't be far from what the WWE is like now. Before, the MMA fanbase was much smaller and therefore, much more knowledgeable when taken as a whole. Now, as the fanbase becomes larger, it's only natural that the average level of knowledge lowers. I truly hope that Dana will be smart enough to handle this change correctly for the sport and not for his bank account.
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well, the ufc and MMA as a whole is very appealing to someone like me, however, since i watch a lot of ESPN, i know that the most you'll hear about MMA is how its "barbaric" and "brutal" and a lot of old timers talking about how MMA isnt as big as its said to be, and boxing is still the prize fighting sport. dont know if everyone here knows this so ill just post this.

we know the last bit isnt true, but still at least sportscenter recognizes it as legit, Cain knocking out Big Nog was in the top 10 plays of the weekend, sadly it was only at 8

if you think its as bad off as WWE just go over to wrestling forum and see how pissy the average member of the internet wrestling community is. WWE hasnt had a challenge in a while, and even tho TNA wants to be one i dont think they will be able to compete. the fact that everyone knows its fake makes it that much easier to write off from the other sports.

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A lot of people complain about the weight discrepancy between big and small heavyweights, but as he alluded to, that is what makes MMA more attractive option for casual fans.

When you have 16 weightclasses and four different sanctioning bodies all with their own belts it gets pretty ridiculous, there is a potential there to have 64 different champions on one sport. I mean, some of the weightclasses are seperated by three pounds, three pounds!!!. If anyone could give me a legitimate reason why a pure striking sport with no wrestling or grappling involved needs to separate their fighters in three pound increments, i would like to be informed.
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A lot of people complain about the weight discrepancy between big and small heavyweights, but as he alluded to, that is what makes MMA more attractive option for casual fans.

When you have 16 weightclasses and four different sanctioning bodies all with their own belts it gets pretty ridiculous, there is a potential there to have 64 different champions on one sport. I mean, some of the weightclasses are seperated by three pounds, three pounds!!!. If anyone could give me a legitimate reason why a pure striking sport with no wrestling or grappling involved needs to separate their fighters in three pound increments, i would like to be informed.
i know it's ******* terrible it seems that all you hav to do is eat a big mac and than you are in a different weight class
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No doubt that MMA is the fastest growing sport. The UFC is the central organization with all the best fighters. The UFC has destroyed all competitors. And it will devour boxing.
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I must say this, kinda off topic. Anyone who says Aoki stands no chance against BJ is kind of delusional. Sure, I think he'd get his ass kicked, but Aoki is crazy with his submissions and I think if he managed to get BJ down (This is why I think he'd get his ass kicked) he could sub BJ. I mean, the guy did an inverted gogoplata!!!

On topic, Boxing is dying. No matter what happens, their just delaying the inevitable. MMA has boxing in it and so much more. MMA is the perfect sport in terms of combat. MMA, in a way, has changed the world in the way people look at fighting. Notice on youtube you see a lot less street fighting videos and a lot more backyard MMA videos being made. Even in street fighting vids people are starting to use MMA moves (failing most of the time), not just throwing punches, but setting up punches, clinching, full mounts, all of it. MMA will, in time, be one of the biggest sports the planet has ever seen.
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