Boxing : "We must move with the times or the UFC will gobble us up" - Page 3 - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos
UFC The Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) is a U.S.-based mixed martial arts organization, recognized as the largest MMA promotion in the world. The UFC is headquartered in Las Vegas, Nevada and is owned and operated by Zuffa, LLC. This promotion is responsible for solidifying the sport's postion in the history-books. UFC is currently undergoing a remarkable surge in popularity, along with greater mainstream media coverage. UFC programming can now be seen on FOX, FX, and FUEL TV in the United States, as well as in 35 other countries worldwide.

Reply

Old 02-26-2010, 02:06 AM   #21 (permalink)
Flyweight
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 494
munkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of lightmunkie is a glorious beacon of light
Quote:
Originally Posted by guam68 View Post
Interesting read. I don't know anything about boxing except that pacquiao is a haas, but mma definetly doesn't have one defined champ or else we wouldn't have so many fedor/lesnar, mousasi/machida, aoki/penn speculations going around.
Boxing has one defined champ? Is that why there are something like 3 different titles in any 1 weightclass? If MMA was one league, then yeah they'd have 1 defined champ. But MMA has several different organizations. So saying Fedor/Lesnar, or any of the other examples, means that there isn't a defined champ is ignorant. Each org has 1 definite champ, although the UFC does make up the interim belt whenever the it's champ is injured or they just feel like making 2 fighters feel that they are accomplishing something. Bottomline, Fedor/Lesnar, Mousasi/Machida, Aoki/Penn are dream fights between 2 completely different leagues DEFINED champs.
munkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 02-26-2010, 05:26 AM   #22 (permalink)
MMA Fanatic
 
ipbod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 56
ipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enoughipbod will become famous soon enough
People debating whether there is one champion in MMA is pointless. We all know there are multiple organisations with their own champions, but we also know that the only titles that really matter are UFC titles. Unless you are Fedor of course, but even then people know he is going to have to eventually go to the UFC if he wants to keep his top dog status.

Even when Pride was still going, there was still only 2 orgnisations with champions in a small number of divisions. Boxing is a complete mess of weight classes and champions to the point where no one takes much notice of the belts.

The big difference is MMA is a younger commercial sport which has been spearheaded by organisations who employ fighters to promote a show, and it works. Even when Pride was here, MMA was still much clearer than boxing and Pride was in another continent, non existent to casual fans. And now even more so because of the UFC's dynamics and dominance, Pride is gone and there really is only one organisation. Yes there are some good fighters outside of the UFC, but let's not get fickle, the point is there isn't 983 champions accross 150 weight classes.

We all know who the best fighters in the world are...

Fedor, Lesnar, Machida, Mousasi, Silva, GSP, Gunnar Nelson and BJ Penn.

So there may be a couple of legit champions, but the moral of the story still remains, the MMA picture is more clear due to a single dominant organisation holding routine events that showcase the best in the world. The best framework was adopted from the start giving the sport a huge advantage over boxing.
ipbod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010, 05:49 AM   #23 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: HAPPILY RESIDING IN THE SHOGUN ERA
Posts: 689
joe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hug
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoken812 View Post
I must say this, kinda off topic. Anyone who says Aoki stands no chance against BJ is kind of delusional. Sure, I think he'd get his ass kicked, but Aoki is crazy with his submissions and I think if he managed to get BJ down (This is why I think he'd get his ass kicked) he could sub BJ. I mean, the guy did an inverted gogoplata!!!

On topic, Boxing is dying. No matter what happens, their just delaying the inevitable. MMA has boxing in it and so much more. MMA is the perfect sport in terms of combat. MMA, in a way, has changed the world in the way people look at fighting. Notice on youtube you see a lot less street fighting videos and a lot more backyard MMA videos being made. Even in street fighting vids people are starting to use MMA moves (failing most of the time), not just throwing punches, but setting up punches, clinching, full mounts, all of it. MMA will, in time, be one of the biggest sports the planet has ever seen.
of course he has some chance but that chance relys on another chance of having to get bj down and keep him there
but yeah you see heaps of people trying to utilize mma in street fights nowadays and used to live in a small town here in australia and everybody finds a time and place to use it in some shape or form like play fighting and stuff "i'll ufc ya" "i'll go rampage on ya"
joe davola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010, 06:20 AM   #24 (permalink)
Photobucket
 
Machida Karate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Arizona!
Posts: 3,570
Machida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For Greatness
It was a good read, and he is right, the fact that there are so many world champions in boxing made people care a lot less who wins because there wasn't enough meaning behind it...

And plus another reason MMA is getting so huge is because there is wrestling, and boxing, and BJJ, and Judo and Muay Thai, exc...

And its getting all different types of fans into it...

And plus the fact that boxing isn't a complete fighting sport.

And what i mean by that is, on the street there is going to be wrestling and ground work unlike Boxing where u only stay on ur feet.

I mean yeah you can go for the eyes and balls on the street and u cant in MMA but obviously we have to take those things out.

And the fact that the MMA World Champions would kill boxing World Champions in a real fight also makes me enjoy watching MMA more knowing that the Champion im watching really is the best and most complete fighter in that weight class on the planet.

U gotta love that if u love real fighting
__________________
Sig credit to my Homie! limba!

Uncrowned P4P Kingpin
Jon "Bones" Jones
WAR ANTHONY PETTIS! WAR HENDERSON!
Machida Karate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010, 06:38 AM   #25 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: HAPPILY RESIDING IN THE SHOGUN ERA
Posts: 689
joe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hug
Quote:
Originally Posted by Machida Karate View Post
It was a good read, and he is right, the fact that there are so many world champions in boxing made people care a lot less who wins because there wasn't enough meaning behind it...

And plus another reason MMA is getting so huge is because there is wrestling, and boxing, and BJJ, and Judo and Muay Thai, exc...

And its getting all different types of fans into it...

And plus the fact that boxing isn't a complete fighting sport.

And what i mean by that is, on the street there is going to be wrestling and ground work unlike Boxing where u only stay on ur feet.

I mean yeah you can go for the eyes and balls on the street and u cant in MMA but obviously we have to take those things out.

And the fact that the MMA World Champions would kill boxing World Champions in a real fight also makes me enjoy watching MMA more knowing that the Champion im watching really is the best and most complete fighter in that weight class on the planet.

U gotta love that if u love real fighting
i agree with most of it but saying MMA champions would kill boxing champions in a real fight is kinda stupid because a boxer would get the ko in a very short time and

the MMA champion would have to take him down to beat him because the MMA champion could not strike with the boxer, if a mixed martial artist could beat the boxer in the stand up and everything else than the mixed martial artist would be the most complete fighter going which isn't true.....yet

but i can't stand how people in the boxing community try to downplay MMA and than i feel that i have to defend MMA and than someone in the MMA community try's to downplay boxing and than i feel i have to defend the boxing comm. it's ******* annoying
joe davola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010, 06:51 AM   #26 (permalink)
Photobucket
 
Machida Karate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Arizona!
Posts: 3,570
Machida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For Greatness
Quote:
Originally Posted by joe davola View Post
i agree with most of it but saying MMA champions would kill boxing champions in a real fight is kinda stupid because a boxer would get the ko in a very short time and

the MMA champion would have to take him down to beat him because the MMA champion could not strike with the boxer, if a mixed martial artist could beat the boxer in the stand up and everything else than the mixed martial artist would be the most complete fighter going which isn't true.....yet

but i can't stand how people in the boxing community try to downplay MMA and than i feel that i have to defend MMA and than someone in the MMA community try's to downplay boxing and than i feel i have to defend the boxing comm. it's ******* annoying

Lol dude when i say they would Kill them in a Real fight i mean when Wrestling, Judo, BJJ, and all that shit is involved, when did i ever say they would win in a boxing fight? Or a striking fight?

If i said they would beat them at there own game then that would be retarded....

Im saying its complete like how Olympic wrestling isnt complete because theres striking and BJJ and other shit involved.

And thats my favorite thing about MMA, is that they have the complete fighters, not one dimensional like all the other fighting sports
__________________
Sig credit to my Homie! limba!

Uncrowned P4P Kingpin
Jon "Bones" Jones
WAR ANTHONY PETTIS! WAR HENDERSON!
Machida Karate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010, 07:01 AM   #27 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: HAPPILY RESIDING IN THE SHOGUN ERA
Posts: 689
joe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hug
Quote:
Originally Posted by Machida Karate View Post


And thats my favorite thing about MMA, is that they have the complete fighters, not one dimensional like all the other fighting sports
well thats what im talking about they aren't truly complete until they can beat a boxer or kickboxer or whatever at there own game aswell as being able to beat them at everything else
joe davola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010, 07:11 AM   #28 (permalink)
Photobucket
 
Machida Karate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Arizona!
Posts: 3,570
Machida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For Greatness
Quote:
Originally Posted by joe davola View Post
well thats what im talking about they aren't truly complete until they can beat a boxer or kickboxer or whatever at there own game aswell as being able to beat them at everything else

Well yeah i wish there was a champ that could beat the best wrestler and best boxer and best everything....

But what i was meaning by Complete was the fact that they know ALL fighting styles and they USE all fighting styles to win there fights.

And they would make the boxing guys look like fish out of the water in a REAL fight... Therefor there more complete fighters...
__________________
Sig credit to my Homie! limba!

Uncrowned P4P Kingpin
Jon "Bones" Jones
WAR ANTHONY PETTIS! WAR HENDERSON!
Machida Karate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010, 07:32 AM   #29 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: HAPPILY RESIDING IN THE SHOGUN ERA
Posts: 689
joe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hugjoe davola Needs A Hug
Quote:
Originally Posted by Machida Karate View Post
Well yeah i wish there was a champ that could beat the best wrestler and best boxer and best everything....

But what i was meaning by Complete was the fact that they know ALL fighting styles and they USE all fighting styles to win there fights.

And they would make the boxing guys look like fish out of the water in a REAL fight... Therefor there more complete fighters...
yeah i know what your talking about

it's just that, what i said was that a mixed martial artist would be the most complete fighter going which isn't true.....yet,
but there will be someone down the road that will be and

where im from which would be the same as alot of other people it's that people allways try to make it a stand up fight which never happendes

and it's absolutley true that MMA's are more complete than everyone else but eventually they will be legitamately complete, sorry if everything looks bad but im ******* wounded, meaning im blind drunk
joe davola is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2010, 07:42 AM   #30 (permalink)
Photobucket
 
Machida Karate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Arizona!
Posts: 3,570
Machida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For GreatnessMachida Karate Is Destined For Greatness
Quote:
Originally Posted by joe davola View Post
yeah i know what your talking about

it's just that, what i said was that a mixed martial artist would be the most complete fighter going which isn't true.....yet,
but there will be someone down the road that will be and

where im from which would be the same as alot of other people it's that people allways try to make it a stand up fight which never happendes

and it's absolutley true that MMA's are more complete than everyone else but eventually they will be legitamately complete, sorry if everything looks bad but im ******* wounded, meaning im blind drunk

Yeah one day if there is a fighter that is the best at EVERYTHING, that would be amazing to see
__________________
Sig credit to my Homie! limba!

Uncrowned P4P Kingpin
Jon "Bones" Jones
WAR ANTHONY PETTIS! WAR HENDERSON!
Machida Karate is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios