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Boxing : "We must move with the times or the UFC will gobble us up"

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/w...0222-orsu.html

A very good read, finally someone in the boxing world speaking truth about how the situation is.

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LEGENDARY boxing trainer Johnny Lewis believes Sunday's successful UFC event in Sydney has highlighted the threat his sport faces from mixed martial arts, and has called for a single body to run the sweet science.

Lewis, who has trained world champions Kostya Tszyu, Jeff Harding and Jeff Fenech during his 50-year involvement in boxing, was among the 250,000 Australian viewers who watched UFC 110 on One HD and admitted he was impressed.

''It was enjoyable and you could see why it does so well,'' Lewis said. ''I think we're a long way behind at the moment.''

Asked whether he thought many others in the boxing community had taken notice of the Acer Arena event, Lewis said: ''I think they made us take notice of it. They are gobbling up our sport very, very quickly.''

Demonstrating the challenge boxing faces was the fact that the UFC event not only filled the 17,000-seat Homebush Bay venue in record time, but also had 400 fans pay $50 each to watch the nine-bout card on a big screen in an overflow area.

UFC boss Dana White said afterwards the organisation intended to return annually and was also likely to launch an Australian version of the reality-TV MMA program Ultimate Fighter.

''In my lifetime, I wonder if we will be able to last them out,'' Lewis said. ''Danny Green and Roy Jones jnr couldn't fill the same venue and they had weeks and weeks of promoting it with a legend of some description involved in the fight. The others didn't even say who was fighting and it was sold out within hours.

''It's not like wrestling. As a sport, they are very much above board and credible so they definitely have something to offer. It is commonly known as the fastest-growing sport in the world so that says something and, one thing about it, they believe in their product and want to spread the gospel.''

Despite his admiration for the UFC, Lewis said: ''I much prefer our sport. There is a lot of wrestling, a lot of time on the ground. We've got two options in ours - hit them or make them miss.''

But he said the alphabet soup of boxing organisations was undermining the sport's credibility and fans were confused about who the real world champion was.

''The one thing they have got is a single body in charge of the sport and it is working for them,'' Lewis said. ''There is one world champion and everyone knows who it is. I think our sport got a big wake-up call out of it. We have got too many world champions and we should take a leaf out of what they are doing.''

UFC organisers hope to stage the next Australian event in Melbourne but need the Victorian government to lift its ban on cage fighting before they can do so. It was not clear last night whether the NSW government would fight to retain the event in Sydney.

''The UFC was clearly a very popular event and they will have their own development strategy that may involve spreading the event to other cities in Australia,'' an Events NSW spokesperson said.
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nice to hear it, too bad it's here in aus but i think too many people talk about the negative statements made by people in the boxing world instead of the positve's like evander holyfield has said he likes it and the golden boy was co-promoting with affliction or he was talking about it and mike tyson has said he likes it and has been to a couple events and sugar ray leonard likes it and zab judah likes it,

the people who don't like it meaning mayweather and hopkins are kinda like when you where little and someone had a cool toy and everyone thinks it's cool and than later on someone else comes along with a better toy and than everyone likes that toy and than the other kid gets jealous and try's to convince people his toy is still better but it's not
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Interesting read. I don't know anything about boxing except that pacquiao is a haas, but mma definetly doesn't have one defined champ or else we wouldn't have so many fedor/lesnar, mousasi/machida, aoki/penn speculations going around.

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Interesting read. I don't know anything about boxing except that pacquiao is a haas, but mma definetly doesn't have one defined champ or else we wouldn't have so many fedor/lesnar, mousasi/machida, aoki/penn speculations going around.
it's only fedor/lesnar and to the casual's there isn't anyone else including fedor
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Interesting read. I don't know anything about boxing except that pacquiao is a haas, but mma definetly doesn't have one defined champ or else we wouldn't have so many fedor/lesnar, mousasi/machida, aoki/penn speculations going around.
You can walk up to the casual fan and I guarentee you beyond any doubt they will have never ever heard of Aoki or Mousasi.

Fedor is a fairly well known name, but I still get friends of mine who follow UFC religiously who have never seen Fedor fight.

Sometimes it is easy to forget that most people here (ie those willing to come to a forum) represent a tiny, tiny portion of MMA fans.

Most fans are casual, not hardcore. Most fans forget half the fighters names after an event. Most fans only follow the UFC. Most fans have no idea who anyone is who isn't int he UFC.


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boxing has been a national mainstay for, what 100 years maybe? MMA is still relatively new and exciting. The various MMA organizations obviously don't have the depth of boxing, so I can easily see 3-4 boxing cards on tv per week during the spring and summer but it truly is an individual sport. I like several fighters but it doesn't translate into liking the ranking organization. Whereas I can have favorites in MMA with UFC, and then I can look to UFC for other good fighters. Boxing is too selfish for that.

I think UFC tries to pick good matchups and only rarely do you see fighters avoid each other. Boxing is totally different, to it's detriment.

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Interesting read. I don't know anything about boxing except that pacquiao is a haas, but mma definetly doesn't have one defined champ or else we wouldn't have so many fedor/lesnar, mousasi/machida, aoki/penn speculations going around.
aoki doesn't poses any threat to bj what so ever and mousasi he is where he is in rankings and competition while bj an machida are widely considered number one except for the fans who think shogun won

but there isn't talk about aoki and mousasi legitimately being number one besides "SOME" of mousasi's fans and i suppose you would have to go to japan to hear something about aoki
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aoki doesn't poses any threat to bj what so ever and mousasi he is where he is in rankings and competition while bj an machida are widely considered number one except for the fans who think shogun won

but there isn't talk about aoki and mousasi legitimately being number one besides "SOME" of mousasi's fans and i suppose you would have to go to japan to hear something about aoki
Maybe not here on MMAF, but if I remember correctly I think I saw a few threads elsewhere on it. Mainly just using it as an example of there being more then one champ in a division. If I told some random person that Aoki, Penn, and Melendez were all champs in the same division, how would they know whos better?

Same thing with boxing I'd guess. If theres more than one champ I'd have know clue who was actually the better fighter.

And yeah Im one of those guys who thinks Mousasi would have a legitimate shot at Machida

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boxing has been a national mainstay for, what 100 years maybe? MMA is still relatively new and exciting. The various organizations obviously don't have the depth of boxing, so I can easily see 3-4 bouts on tv per week during the spring and summer. UFC promotes itself thru it's fighters, so I think guys will work hard to get into the UFC. I think UFC tries to pick good matchups, whereas in boxing, know one single organization has that cotrol...it's the megafights that are f'ing up boxing. Long Live good violence
yeah in boxing it's pretty much the inmates running the asylum while MMA is very similer to pro wrestling promotions which is the best type of system to have as like you said it promotes it's self through fighters and not only do they promote the top figters but at the same time they are building up new prospects.

it's like steve austin said the business is like a machine and when one cog gets old and can't work anymore they have a new cog on stand-by ready to replace it.

while in boxing it seems they just focus on the top cogs that are there and when them cogs are done they seem content to just place a order and wait until whenever the next one is available

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Maybe not here on MMAF, but if I remember correctly I think I saw a few threads elsewhere on it. Mainly just using it as an example of there being more then one champ in a division. If I told some random person that Aoki, Penn, and Melendez were all champs in the same division, how would they know whos better?

Same thing with boxing I'd guess. If theres more than one champ I'd have know clue who was actually the better fighter.

And yeah Im one of those guys who thinks Mousasi would have a legitimate shot at Machida
i think mousasi has a shot but aoki and melendez just haven't faced the same comp as bj and anybody apart from lesnar who is the champ in the ufc is the #1 guy in there weight class, would you say that there is anybody else out there who is better than silva or gsp in there class?

and yeah iv'e seen people with threads on aoki/penn and what not but thats primarily just haters being haters and just don't want to except that guys like bj/silva/machida/ are the best and want to try downplay there victories and status

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