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post #11 of 49 (permalink) Old 02-27-2010, 04:12 PM
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Thiago Silva > Rashad Evans he fought with an injured back and yet he still almost ktfo Rashad, you gotta give Thiago credit for taking that fight with an injury no one else would.
Really? What kind of back injury did Thiago have when he fought rashad?
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post #12 of 49 (permalink) Old 02-27-2010, 04:17 PM
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Rashad just did enough to win in that fight, but i thought Thiago was the better fighter. Rashad used his 1 advantage to win the fight, where as i thought Thiago was better than him at everything else. Another round and i think Thiago would of won, although he was a bit gassed but i think he would paced himself better if he new he had another round.

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Well I guess a better question is where do you rate him at LHW? I guess that matters here.

I believ right now these guys are better than he is at 205.

Machida - obviously
Shogun - obviously
Rampage - obviously
Lil Nog - obviously
Rashad - I don't care if he got rocked a tad. He won 2 rounds of MMA fighting. It is MMA isn't it?
Jon Jones - His destruction of Matt Hamill in my opinion is better than anything Silva has done. Plus he just has more ways to beat you.
Couture - If they fought Couture would just rough him up all day. As for rankings Couture has obviously beat better fighters, and just as good of fighters at 205.

That is 7 I see that are clearly better. I see Forrest as just as good as T. Silva. He has way better wins. I see Franklin as just as good as T. Silva. Maybe he won't KO you but he could beat T. Silva in a striking match. Bader, maybe have to see more first.

So on my list he is as high as 8th and as low as 10th or 11th. Maybe you guys have him the same. But I just see many people considering him a contender, when they don't consider Forrest or Franklin real contenders, so it makes no sense to me because I feel they are at the same level.

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Rashad just did enough to win in that fight, but i thought Thiago was the better fighter. Rashad used his 1 advantage to win the fight, where as i thought Thiago was better than him at everything else. Another round and i think Thiago would of won, although he was a bit gassed but i think he would paced himself better if he new he had another round.
Is that not the point competing? 1 fighter uses his best tools to win and so does the other. Why is that a pass for Silva? Is that really an excuse? 'Oh so and so just wrestled him, so I think the other fighter was the better fighter"

And yes he was gased. Beyond gased. He has Rashad rocked and didn't do anything besides put him hands in the air. What is that?

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I'm with you Johnny, my friend and I were actually discussing this the other day because he's a huge thiago fan. Don't get me wrong, I love his mentality and toughness, but realistically I have him ranked 11th in the LHW division. I'm not a Forrest griffin fan at all but I think him OR Franklin would both beat him 3 or 4 out of 5 times. He has serious power in his hands and Forrest and Franklin don't really do well with powerful strikers, but there ability to avoid his slow strikes or even take him down would give them the edge IMO.

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His only losses are to a former champ and the current champ. He isn't overrated at all. Maybe underrated.


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I don't think Thiago is overrated at all. If you have a look at his record, he has 2 defeats against the top guys in the division. He's only been knocked out by Machida which is nothing to be ashamed about really, and the decision against Rashad who really didn't look that great with the old lay and prey technique.
The guy has holes in his game, not that great on the ground, but he makes up for that with huge power in his hands and exciting fights. This is why his fans like him. He goes out there to hurt people, not go for points wins. Remember he's still evolving and at 27 yrs I hope to see him improve and compete with the top guys in the division.
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Jones is more overrated at this point than Thiago. Thiago's losses are to current or previous title holders. He has fought better competition than Jones by far.
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No, he's not overrated. He's a very solid fighter. He needs some added TDD and cardio, but the guy is solid.
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I can't believe in this I've read that he needs to work on his ground game when we all saw him scramble to his feet over and over again, once even when mounted by a very strong wrestler in Rashad.

He needs to work on his TDD, not his ground game, because from what we've seen his ground game is solid.

Thiago Silva fans tend to put a lot of emphasis on the reported back injury, but none of us really know what effect that might have had. Other than rocking Rashad in the third he didn't have anything his way the whole fight, so to say he's better than Rashad based on the possibility he might have had some sort of injury is quite ignorant really.

It's similar to the Nog and staph thing, a lot of emphasis was put on it but you have to wonder how much difference it really had. People were going as far as saying Nog would smash Mir in a rematch, that Mir's standup isn't actually as good as it looked, yada yada yada. Then Mir goes in and puts Kongo on his ass, and then Velesquez goes in and buries Nog in the first round. All of a sudden people are thinking shit, looks like Mir would probably put the stomp on Nog again if they had a rematch. Well maybe the same applied to Thiago Silva.

The only way we will find out is to see him fight more tough competition.
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I can't believe in this I've read that he needs to work on his ground game when we all saw him scramble to his feet over and over again, once even when mounted by a very strong wrestler in Rashad.

He needs to work on his TDD, not his ground game, because from what we've seen his ground game is solid.

Thiago Silva fans tend to put a lot of emphasis on the reported back injury, but none of us really know what effect that might have had. Other than rocking Rashad in the third he didn't have anything his way the whole fight, so to say he's better than Rashad based on the possibility he might have had some sort of injury is quite ignorant really.

It's similar to the Nog and staph thing, a lot of emphasis was put on it but you have to wonder how much difference it really had. People were going as far as saying Nog would smash Mir in a rematch, that Mir's standup isn't actually as good as it looked, yada yada yada. Then Mir goes in and puts Kongo on his ass, and then Velesquez goes in and buries Nog in the first round. All of a sudden people are thinking shit, looks like Mir would probably put the stomp on Nog again if they had a rematch. Well maybe the same applied to Thiago Silva.

The only way we will find out is to see him fight more tough competition.
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