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Old 02-28-2010, 10:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mir can't understand backlash to provocative Lesnar comments

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Just becauseFrank Mirapologized, that doesn't necessarily mean he's sorry. It doesn't even mean that he knows precisely what he's supposed to be sorry for. Sure, he may have told a California radio station that he hates UFC heavyweight champBrock Lesnarand would like to "break his neck," making him "the first person that dies to Octagon-related injuries," but he's not convinced that the comment is really so incendiary, or even all that novel.
"When I got called in and they told me, 'Listen man, this is an issue,' I kind of had a smirk on my face the whole time," says Mir, who was quoted in a public apology for the remark on the UFC's Web site earlier this week. "I was like, you're kidding, right? This is a joke, right? I've heard people say that this is to the death. I've heard people say about an opponent, 'I'm going to kill him.' I heard Brock say he was going to put his hand up my rear end to pull out a horseshoe. I didn't hear anyone get too upset about that."
The man has a point. As uncomfortable as any comment about Octagon-related deaths might make some MMA fans who are already paranoid about the mainstream perception of the sport, Mir isn't the first prominent fighter to walk that road. Lightweight champB.J. Pennhas threatened to kill opponents before, or at the very least fight them until someone dies. Former light heavyweight champChuck Liddellrecently expressed a desire to endTito Ortiz's life when they meet for a third time, and that prompted no outrage.
In fact, in an interview prior to their rematch at UFC 100, Lesnar was quoted as saying that he was eager to "murder" Mir. What, exactly, is the difference between the two remarks, except that Mir was more specific with regards to method?
"No one's been able to explain it to me yet," Mir says. "I thought we understood that what we say on camera is part of the entertainment aspect of our sport and we kind of get a little artistic license. It's not like I said this to my neighbor, that if his dog shows up in my yard one more time I'm going to kill him. That would be bad. That's a problem. I didn't understand it, but hey, it came my way, I said it, and I can't cry about it now. I've just got to deal with it, I guess."
Dealing with it meant putting his name on the apology put forth by the UFC, which included an assurance from UFC presidentDana Whitethat Mir had "been talked to" and now "regrets what he said." That turns out to be about half true. If there's one thing Mir doesn't seem to regret lately, it's speaking his mind. Even when it brings criticism, the former UFC heavyweight champ is going to tell you what he really thinks.
Take his comments aboutCheick Kongobefore they met at UFC 107. Mir called Kongo's ground game one of the worst in the UFC's heavyweight class. When that drew heat from some fans, Mir refused to back away from the remark. He believed it, so why apologize for saying it?
"Any time you try to play to what you think people want you to be like, you're setting yourself up for disappointment," Mir says. "Some people are still going to hate you and some people are still going to like you, but if you're not even saying what you really think then they aren't even liking you for who you really are. If someone asks me a question, at least they can know that the answer I give is what I really think. Then, if they dislike me, at least they're disliking who I really am because I really did say that."
The same is true with the Lesnar situation, though Mir feels the need to point out, he doesn't literally want to kill Lesnar. No more than Penn wanted to killGeorges St. Pierre, anyway. The excessive rhetoric, that's just his way of getting a point across, he says.
If nothing else, the situation helps to illuminate the ways in which Lesnar has become Mir's white whale. With their series knotted at one win apiece, getting a rubber match has become almost an obsession with Mir, who said he became despondent upon hearing rumors that Lesnar's illness might end his fighting career before they ever got to meet again.
Even if Lesnar weren't the champ, Mir says, he'd be just as focused on getting a third fight with him. But that doesn't mean Mir is overlookingShane Carwin, who he'll be facing on Mar. 27 for the interim heavyweight championship. On the contrary, since the winner is tentatively scheduled to get the next shot at Lesnar, defeating Carwin is vital to his long-term plans.
"We all have our reasons for why we do things," Mir said. "It's like a guy trying to become the champion. It's not that his dream of becoming a champion is distracting him from the fight in front of him. It's just that those goals are part of his motivation. It's one more reason to go to the gym. For me, my goal of fighting Brock Lesnar again isn't distracting me, because I know I have to beat Shane Carwin and really beat him to get that third match with Brock. It's not that I'm not thinking about Shane, because I am. I'm also thinking about all the things that will come with that victory."
One of those things may be the chance to write the final chapter in his saga with Lesnar, but with that comes the possibility that the current champ may hold him to account for his words in painful and embarrassing fashion. To Mir, that's the beauty of being in the fight business. Opponents might not like what he has to say, whether he believes it to be true or not, but it's of little consequence once the cage door slams shut.
"If he thinks I'm wrong," says Mir, "he can prove it to me."



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making him "the first person that dies to Octagon-related injuries"

This is why I am offended by the remark.

I am a fan of this sport, and I do not want it marred by a death in the octagon. Seriously, Frank, I understand statements like this, but the particular way it is worded with regard to the octagon is too far in my opinion.

It would almost be like a professional football player saying of a member of the other team "I hope I sever his spinal column, and he lays like a lump on the field of the superdome.

I don't know, maybe it's not a proper analogy, but that is why the comment angers me, although I do accept his apology.
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I am not offended by anything Frank said.

I just thought it was a stupid way to describe how badly he wants to beat Brock.

This isnt really all that big of a deal. Frank has always showed great respect for his opponent in the cage, regardless of what he says to "hype" his fights.

Sometimes I think Frank is just trying to out-heel Brock.

A lot of people on MMA forums seem to take offense to almost everything he says. Frank isnt gonna be given a break for making stupid comments. Nor should he. But as I have said this isnt a big deal. He just said something stupid.
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And yet another thread on this shit lol

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I am not offended by anything Frank said.

I just thought it was a stupid way to describe how badly he wants to beat Brock.

This isnt really all that big of a deal. Frank has always showed great respect for his opponent in the cage, regardless of what he says to "hype" his fights.

Sometimes I think Frank is just trying to out-heel Brock.

A lot of people on MMA forums seem to take offense to almost everything he says. Frank isnt gonna be given a break for making stupid comments. Nor should he. But as I have said this isnt a big deal. He just said something stupid.
I disagree. What he said was calculated. I don't have any problem with it; in fact I give him credit for saying the right thing to cause a stir but I don't think this was some kind of stupid blunder. Frank Mir is one of the smartest guys in MMA. This was not an accident.
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I disagree. What he said was calculated. I don't have any problem with it; in fact I give him credit for saying the right thing to cause a stir but I don't think this was some kind of stupid blunder. Frank Mir is one of the smartest guys in MMA. This was not an accident.
It was an accident from the aspect that I dont think Frank expected any backlash with anything he has said. Many other fighters have said similar things about hurting or killing another fighter. But Frank says it and then people have a problem??????????????
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I just wish people would drop this already.

Like I said a million times look at my sig. He said that about Kongo no one cared but when it's Lesnar it's a big deal. Are you a racist?

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Mir should be embarrassed to continue this nonsense. This is just making him looking like more of a crazy stalker, something Brock already called him out on.

Whats really sad is that in Mirs mind he and Brock are arch nemesis's like Batman and the Joker, but in reality Brock thought his last name was Mur until very recently.
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I just wish people would drop this already.

Like I said a million times look at my sig. He said that about Kongo no one cared but when it's Lesnar it's a big deal. Are you a racist?

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What Mir said about Kongo isn't really quite the same as saying "the first person to die of octagon related injuries."

I don't want to come down too hard on Mir over it, because certainly, I understand hyping fights and putting other fighters in your sights.

I just wish that he had chosen a slightly different way to word it other than wishing for octagon related death, but it's not a big deal, just an unfortunate choice of words.
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Sometimes I think Frank is just trying to out-heel Brock.
Exactly. Brock is a natural heel. That just him. Frank isn't this guy that he's trying to be. Frank's brain did this math:

1. Frank sees Brock being a heel.
2. Frank sees Brock sell hella PPVs.
3. Frank wants to sell hella PPVs.
4. Frank becomes a heel.

IMO, his heel act is totally unnatural, fake and ultra-transparent. That's not to mention that this fight already has a huge heel and doesn't need another one. At least for this fight, he should model his fake persona after Couture, who is always a face and always sells PPVs.

Also, I think Frank had better keep his focus on not getting KTFO by Shane Carwin. I think Mir crushes Carwin but only if he can stop dreaming of getting his face beaten in by Lesnar again.
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