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Old 03-09-2010, 07:03 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Nog's style wasn't even a good idea in 2002, get pounded and catch a sick armbar with 30 seconds left, never a good idea. Now guys just avoid grappling with him and KO him standing. Look at his last three fights, Mir refused to go to the ground with him, wins by TKO, Randy clinches and tries to wrestle, loss via UD, Cain stands, wins by TKO.

If Nog wants to stick around, he needs to clinch and go to the ground, too many guys with too much power to hope you can stand in long enough for a miracle sub.
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Old 03-09-2010, 07:05 PM   #22 (permalink)
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It's called a figure of speech my friend. And you just helped prove my point lol.

Funny how you say that Cain would "drop" the same Nog that submitted Hendo, Cro Cop and Coleman (on a 6 fight win streak). To say that Nog is the same now as he was 6 or 7 years ago would be idiotic. We all know you're Cain's biggest fan, but seriously man you need to re-think some of your statements lol. He's only had 8 fights and you're saying he could de-rail a PRIME Nog? Nog got caught and finished, simple as that. You can't just a guy's whole career based off his last fight. (But if you watched all of Nog's fights, you wouldn't say that)

And you're also basically saying that Mir is KNOWN for his stand-up. Saying that Nog wasn't healthy when he fought Frank wouldn't be an excuse, it'd be a fact. Who else has Mir KO'd? Sims? If you would have said that Frank could have submitted a Prime Nog, I would have taken you more seriously.
Nog just got caught?? and your calling me idiotic?? yea if gettingh caught means losing EVERY exchange vs both Mir and Cain... yes... he just got caught.

He was a legend and beat alot of decent guys that both Mir and Cain would also destroy, prime Coleman or whoever u wanna point at. The game has changed and Nog is just another vet left behind.

The sport was pretty new, Nog has more skills then almost everybody. That isnt the case anymore, guys have the skils anre MORE athletism. Nobody coming in not knowing what BJJ is or just huge cansw ith power but no technique.

I didnt say Frank was known for his standup, nor is Cain, thats my point, the game has evovled so fast that guys who use standup as secondary weapons are owning Nog standing.

Mir and Cain would have been top guys over Prime Nog, Prime Cro Cop or Prime whoever besides Fedor, i know its hard to accept, it has nothing to do with me being a Cain fan and everything to do with the evolution of the sport and in particular the HW division.

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Old 03-09-2010, 07:12 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Nog just got caught?? and your calling me idiotic?? yea if gettingh caught means losing EVERY exchange vs both Mir and Cain... yes... he just got caught.

He was a legend and beat alot of decent guys that both Mir and Cain would also destroy, prime Coleman or whoever u wanna point at. The game has changed and Nog is just another vet left behind.

I didnt say Frank was known for his standup, nor is Cain, thats my point, the game has evovled so fast that guys who use standup as secondary weapons are owning Nog standing.

Mir and Cain would have been top guys over Prime Nog, Prime Cro Cop or Prime whoever besides Fedor, i know its hard to accept, it has nothing to do with me being a Cain fan and everything to do with the evolution of the sport and in particular the HW division.
You're missing the entire point lol. You're the one that claimed Cain could drop Nog in his prime. Did I ever say that Nog is still fighting at the same level that he was 6 years ago? NO. I agree that his best days are behind him and he'll probably never get another title shot. But up until the Mir fight he had never been finished, so that should also tell you that he is beyond his prime. He went 35+ fights before that without ever being stopped.

You said that "Cain and Mir could drop Nog". I dont know how you meant to phrase it, but it sounded to me like you said Frank is known for the power in his hands.

I can see where you're coming from, but you're talking as if Cain has been dominating the HW division for years. Im impressed I'll say that, but the kid hasn't even got a title shot yet! I just don't see how you can say he'd beat a prime Nog lol. Maybe its just me.
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You're missing the entire point lol. You're the one that claimed Cain could drop Nog in his prime. Did I ever say that Nog is still fighting at the same level that he was 6 years ago? NO. I agree that his best days are behind him and he'll probably never get another title shot. But up until the Mir fight he had never been finished, so that should also tell you that he is beyond his prime. He went 35+ fights before that without ever being stopped.

You said that "Cain and Mir could drop Nog". I dont know how you meant to phrase it, but it sounded to me like you said Frank is known for the power in his hands.

I can see where you're coming from, but you're talking as if Cain has been dominating the HW division for years. Im impressed I'll say that, but the kid hasn't even got a title shot yet! I just don't see how you can say he'd beat a prime Nog lol. Maybe its just me.
when a sport is so new, you dont get the top talent or athletes available. The same is for every sport. Now with the MMA "boom" we are getting more and more top athletes with more and more well rounded skills.

the day will come when guys are much better standing then both Cain and Mir with equal or better ground games to boot. The evolution is far from over, it just slows down over time. I still think we have yet to see the biggest jump in talent but its obvious that jsut 5 years ago guys werent nearly as well versed or well conditioned as they are now.

Not to mention we are now getting the top atletes from every sport considering MMA. Instead of just guys from one form of martial arts background.

Its good for the sport and its good for the fans. I know it hurts to see legends get surpassed but it does not take away a thing from their greatness.

As i said before, nobody remembers Muhammed Ali as the old, flat footed can that got tooled by Leon Spinks after talking a mountain of shit.

Nobody will remember Nog for his last few losses. They will remember him as one of the pioneers of the HW division. One of the all time greats
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when a sport is so new, you dont get the top talent or athletes available. The same is for every sport. Now with the MMA "boom" we are getting more and more top athletes with more and more well rounded skills.

the day will come when guys are much better standing then both Cain and Mir with equal or better ground games to boot. The evolution is far from over, it just slows down over time. I still think we have yet to see the biggest jump in talent but its obvious that jsut 5 years ago guys werent nearly as well versed or well conditioned as they are now.

Not to mention we are now getting the top atletes from every sport considering MMA. Instead of just guys from one form of martial arts background.

Its good for the sport and its good for the fans. I know it hurts to see legends get surpassed but it does not take away a thing from their greatness.

As i said before, nobody remembers Muhammed Ali as the old, flat footed can that got tooled by Leon Spinks after talking a mountain of shit.

Nobody will remember Nog for his last few losses. They will remember him as one of the pioneers of the HW division. One of the all time greats
Alright, I see what you mean now and I apologize for calling you out earlier.

Probably just the Nog-fan in me lashing out and defending him lol.
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Wow i didnt expect a fairly objective thread like this one

You guys stood up

Im happy to see there are many Nog fans as myself, who looks up for Minotauro as an example and pioneer of MMA

Also i share the opinion of those who question not his legacy not wroking ethic or skill, but his status as a top HW these days

Would it benefit Nog to drop a weight class in order to fight lighter fighters ?
Or would it make it worse for him having lost some reflexes fight faster guys ?

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Its not just Nogueira's ability to take damage, but he's become increasingly easier to hit.
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Its not just Nogueira's ability to take damage, but he's become increasingly easier to hit.
Exactly. His head-movement is atrocious these days. I'm not sure how or why since his brother is very good in this area.
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Exactly. His head-movement is atrocious these days. I'm not sure how or why since his brother is very good in this area.
Nog has never been any good with head movement. He has always depended too much on his chin and ability to recover amazingly fast.
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when a sport is so new, you dont get the top talent or athletes available. The same is for every sport. Now with the MMA "boom" we are getting more and more top athletes with more and more well rounded skills.

the day will come when guys are much better standing then both Cain and Mir with equal or better ground games to boot. The evolution is far from over, it just slows down over time. I still think we have yet to see the biggest jump in talent but its obvious that jsut 5 years ago guys werent nearly as well versed or well conditioned as they are now.

Not to mention we are now getting the top atletes from every sport considering MMA. Instead of just guys from one form of martial arts background.

Its good for the sport and its good for the fans. I know it hurts to see legends get surpassed but it does not take away a thing from their greatness.

As i said before, nobody remembers Muhammed Ali as the old, flat footed can that got tooled by Leon Spinks after talking a mountain of shit.

Nobody will remember Nog for his last few losses. They will remember him as one of the pioneers of the HW division. One of the all time greats
I agree with the notion of this new 'breed' of fighters we're starting to see. Its only natural that with the huge surge in popularity that MMA has received recently that the talent pool is growing larger and even more skilled.

Just thinking about it in terms of how many people are fighting today in comparison with just a few years ago, the chances of getting some real super-freaks is pretty high. Nog is a legend and will always be a 'great' fighter but he came from a time when MMA was mainly an overseas ordeal; when the majority of people still called it "human cockfighting" ( I hate that term.) Now MMA is becoming a global phenomenon and more and more people are bringing more and more to the plate. The game IS evolving and regardless of hard work or raw talent, the fighters of yesterday are all going to get left behind at some point, regardless of age. I honestly hate saying that but its true
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