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Old 03-09-2010, 08:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A change for Minotauro

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira is one of the legends of the sport of MMA. He was the Pride Champion until Fedors reign of terror, and he defeated pretty much the who is who of the Mixed Martial Arts world.

Sick jiu jitsu, good boxing, used to have an iron jaw

Anyway, as a fan of Nog i dont want him to get battered in every fight. Now the Randy Couture fight was a stone breaking the fall, but picture every up n coming fighter is hungry and strong or as Mirko Cro Cop pointed out ' Young Lions Are Definately Coming'. I dont think nog can handle to well with all the new bread of fighters

This aint 2002 anymore, and Nog need to change his style/re think his career as fellow brazilian Wanderlei Silva did.

He cant keep getting abused and koed.
although he has some good boxing moves, he doesnt have ko power nor enough defense. He used to set up his not that great takedowns with his boxing, but now it just doesnt cut it anymore for him.

So.. what changes would u introduce in Nogs gameplan ?

I know is hard for a fighter to retire, but in the recent period of time Heath Herring hurted him, Tim sylvia hurted him, Mir koed him out, Cain f'd him up.

I think he would do good stepping to a lesser org and retire as a champion. on the technical aspect he could start working more on his clinch, and right off the bat clinch guys to the fence, work for the dirty boxing and try to take the fight to the ground with an agressive jiu jitsu..
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:33 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't think it is defense so much as speed. He is just not quick enough anymore. He never was fast but he got by with grappling and recovery. Now he is even slower and it is just too easy to hit him. Even Randy was landing on him and Randy isn't particularly quick or a great striker. I don't think there is an answer for his problem, you can't magically make yourself have better reflexes.
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1.) He's not that old.

2.) He fought Mir when he was recovering from serious illness. He then put on an impresive fight beating Randy Couture. He then gets KO'd by one of the most hyped new heavyweights and you think he should be put out to pasture?

3.) He is not likely to hold a belt in the UFC but the guy is a HUGE draw and a class act. If he isn't a likely title contender there are still a bunch of exciting fights for him.

I do see your point but the reality is Big Nog is a draw and thus a payday for the UFC.

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1.) He's not that old.

2.) He fought Mir when he was recovering from serious illness. He then put on an impresive fight beating Randy Couture. He then gets KO'd by one of the most hyped new heavyweights and you think he should be put out to pasture?

3.) He is not likely to hold a belt in the UFC but the guy is a HUGE draw and a class act. If he isn't a likely title contender there are still a bunch of exciting fights for him.

I do see your point but the reality is Big Nog is a draw and thus a payday for the UFC.

UFC = Entertainment, not a sport.
alright buddy this isnt WWE, i know MMA is the sport, but what you said there is putting down the ufc, and MMA in general. Yes its just a promotion of mma, but it sure as hell is a good promotion of mma, tbh i find that insulting. Maybe u didnt mean it in the way it sounds, but you got that wrong
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Nog may look old but he's only in his 30's I'm pretty sure... so he still has plenty of fight left in him... I agree that he will never hold the UFC title he still is a decent draw for the UFC and there are still good fights for him so we won't see him being put out to pasture any time soon.
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He got KO'd by a young rising top contender. You're acting like he's getting finished every fight. Yes, Mir finished him but lets not forget how bad of condition Nog was in.

I agree, he probably won't ever get another title shot, but he could be a perfect gate-keeper.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:23 AM   #8 (permalink)
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alright buddy this isnt WWE, i know MMA is the sport, but what you said there is putting down the ufc, and MMA in general. Yes its just a promotion of mma, but it sure as hell is a good promotion of mma, tbh i find that insulting. Maybe u didnt mean it in the way it sounds, but you got that wrong
I'm not putting down the UFC or MMA; I'm making an important distinction. Many people treat the UFC like the Olympics or something and it isn't. The UFC is in the entertainment industry. When people look at fighters in such as way as "Why should they fight, they'll never be the champ..." I think they lose sight that fighting is their career and their draw provides revenue for the UFC and thus for themselves.

Plus, those exceptional fighters/entertainers such as Big Nog and Wanderlei do it for the love of their fans, and their fans will gladly pay to support them. These are the scenarios the UFC loves because everybody wins. This means Nog will have a spot in the UFC for a while longer. If he were to move to a 'lesser' organization his draw would work against the UFC and that's bad business.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:40 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I think Nogueira has to stop standing and trading blows with his opponents. There is a general opinion that if a fighter stands and bangs then the fans love him more and the win is possibly deemed more convincing. I think Nogueira is buying into this after looking at his four UFC fights.
Nogueira should train on his shot and clinch work to take fights to the ground and do what he does best, world class JJ.
I mean who didnt like the Pride Nogueira who would willingly fall on his back and let guys into his guard. Many MMA fighters expend loads of energy and give everything to not be that position. Nogueira has a beautiful ground game and im really pissed that we didnt really get to see it aginst Mir and Velasquez.
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