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Old 04-11-2010, 12:08 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Exactly what I've been saying since they announced the rematch, every Machida fan has been saying "Oh Machida will have a better gameplan and he'll destroy him, Shogun won't change anything he's got nothing else." I always reply, yeah that's what you said before the first fight and if you're blindly nutthugging to the point you think Machida won that fight, it's pointless to try to talk to you.

Machida's best chance is avoid the clinch and Anderson Silva it for most of the fight. If he gets clinched it will go down the same way the first fight did.

There is a reason Karate isn't used in MMA a whole lot, the basic principles of it don't work when a guy can grab you and push you into the cage. It works for Machida because he's very good at everything else as well as Karate, but at the end of the day Muay Thai beats Karate in an actual fight 99 times our of 100 and Machida already got his 1 in 100.

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There is so much wrong with your post its almost sad....Chilo at least just loves Shogun.....your not making sense....I bolded all your error's....


1st I never said Machida would change his style for their 1st fight.

As far as not being worth talking to if you think Machida won, you better put half the board on ignore then and not listen to half the fighters in MMA who said they though he won....reality is it was a super close fight and could have gone either way....

2nd Where you gettin all this clinch business, Machida prob initiated more clinching with Shogun by choice and anded knee's, Shogun was mainly relying on leg kicks the ones Rogan was stunned by....hye didn't go down from the clinch in the 1st fight he was injured mainly in the legs from the kicks.....why would Shogun let him stand around during the 4th and 5th rather than finish him????

3rd Karate and Machida Karate utilize alot more pivots and counter angle attacks that allow for this defense, Shogun to his credit found a hole, no one else for the most part has ever been able to and he has fought many Muay Thai fighters, Anderson Silva's recently released Muay Thai coach of like 7 yrs.....used to be Lyoto's Muay Thai coach.....


4th Muay Thai beating Karate 99 times out of 100 is some bullshit you made up....come with facts or stay home....it's been fun, and again......why would i neg rep you for your opinion, cuz your calling me out????? Or cuz your calling me a nutt hugger????

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Old 04-11-2010, 09:21 PM   #42 (permalink)
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1st I never said Machida would change his style for their 1st fight.

As far as not being worth talking to if you think Machida won, you better put half the board on ignore then and not listen to half the fighters in MMA who said they though he won....reality is it was a super close fight and could have gone either way....
Half the fighters in MMA? I've heard Anderons Silva say he thought Machida won and he's his teammate and said he won all five rounds. You're not going to say Machida won every round are you? Who else has said they had Machida winning?

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2nd Where you gettin all this clinch business, Machida prob initiated more clinching with Shogun by choice and anded knee's, Shogun was mainly relying on leg kicks the ones Rogan was stunned by....hye didn't go down from the clinch in the 1st fight he was injured mainly in the legs from the kicks.....why would Shogun let him stand around during the 4th and 5th rather than finish him????
Machida may have invited the clinch, but he got his knees and legs beat up quite a bit when they were clinched. The main reason, I said Machida needs to avoid the clinch. Machida didn't look like the same fighter once his lead leg was beat up and he switched to standing orthodox. I don't know why Shogun didn't try to finish him, I don't know if he could have. I think he was worried about ending up like Rashad, I think he was waiting for an insane Machida move or counter that would end the fight. In fairness that is what I was waiting for too, I thought Machida was going to end the fight when he pushed Shogun up against the cage in the third.
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3rd Karate and Machida Karate utilize alot more pivots and counter angle attacks that allow for this defense, Shogun to his credit found a hole, no one else for the most part has ever been able to and he has fought many Muay Thai fighters, Anderson Silva's recently released Muay Thai coach of like 7 yrs.....used to be Lyoto's Muay Thai coach.....
Shogun found a hole and I think Machida's stye works well because of the Karate. Something that most MMA fighters aren't used to seeing is Karate. So Shogun finding that hole I think has solved the puzzle and I don't know how Machida could change it up to stop Shogun from doing the same thing he did in the first fight.
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4th Muay Thai beating Karate 99 times out of 100 is some bullshit you made up....come with facts or stay home....it's been fun, and again......why would i neg rep you for your opinion, cuz your calling me out????? Or cuz your calling me a nutt hugger????
I don't know that there has ever been a Karate vs Muay Thai tournament to decide which style is better. So the beat I've got is this, the basic principle of Karate is that you could channel all your chi into a single strike and defeat your opponent. That concept doesn't work when someone can grab you and take you down or clinch. Which is the main reason there are not a lot of Karate fighters in MMA. As I've said many times it works for Machida because he is very good or great at many other things.

Btw, I didn't say you would neg rep me, I just said you would flame me a little, which you kind of did, haha and I only said you would flame me because I wasn't siding with the Karate Kid.
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Half the fighters in MMA? I've heard Anderons Silva say he thought Machida won and he's his teammate and said he won all five rounds. You're not going to say Machida won every round are you? Who else has said they had Machida winning?
I had Machida winning 1,2,3....funny go watch the post fight presser for that card, listen to Rua tell u the rds he though Lyoto won, and Dana tell you the rs he thought Lyoto won....and between the 2 men, Dana an Rua they have Lyoto winning 1,2,3.....

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Machida may have invited the clinch, but he got his knees and legs beat up quite a bit when they were clinched. The main reason, I said Machida needs to avoid the clinch. Machida didn't look like the same fighter once his lead leg was beat up and he switched to standing orthodox. I don't know why Shogun didn't try to finish him, I don't know if he could have. I think he was worried about ending up like Rashad, I think he was waiting for an insane Machida move or counter that would end the fight. In fairness that is what I was waiting for too, I thought Machida was going to end the fight when he pushed Shogun up against the cage in the third.
This is the part I dont get cuz the damage to Lyoto's legs came from the looping Thai kicks that could never be possible from the clinch.....so I'm just kinda confused as to what you even mean, he was kneeing Lyoto from the clinch but they both were and Lyoto was landing more counter strikes to the head of Rua....not that Rogan noticed....Machida switches from south paw to traditional all the time he does it multiple times in rounds...

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Shogun found a hole and I think Machida's stye works well because of the Karate. Something that most MMA fighters aren't used to seeing is Karate. So Shogun finding that hole I think has solved the puzzle and I don't know how Machida could change it up to stop Shogun from doing the same thing he did in the first fight.
There are many different leg defenses available to Machida for these leg kicks, his Father was quoted as saying these would be the first area's to work on along with Anderson throwing a shit load of Thai kicks as to mimic Rua....you may see a slight adjustment in Machida's stance but i think you mainly will see alot more movement attacking in then getting out.....

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I don't know that there has ever been a Karate vs Muay Thai tournament to decide which style is better. So the beat I've got is this, the basic principle of Karate is that you could channel all your chi into a single strike and defeat your opponent. That concept doesn't work when someone can grab you and take you down or clinch. Which is the main reason there are not a lot of Karate fighters in MMA. As I've said many times it works for Machida because he is very good or great at many other things.
Maybe for like Bruce Lee but not in Shotokan karate, or Machida Karate the main element is to not get hit, I'm not sure why they would train combo's if they expected to go out there nd with one shot win the fight.....again, your not going to see Machida do badly in the clinch he worked Muay Thai for a long time and has Sumo, again....when have you seen him get taken down???

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Btw, I didn't say you would neg rep me, I just said you would flame me a little, which you kind of did, haha and I only said you would flame me because I wasn't siding with the Karate Kid.

Naw....I just am spreading some knowledge.....or trying....
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I had Machida winning 1,2,3....funny go watch the post fight presser for that card, listen to Rua tell u the rds he though Lyoto won, and Dana tell you the rs he thought Lyoto won....and between the 2 men, Dana an Rua they have Lyoto winning 1,2,3.....
I have never seen Dana say he thought Machida won, everything I seen he said he had it 3-2 Shogun. Don't know about Shogun the most I can remember is after the fight him saying his corner telling him he had won the fight. I gave Machida 2 and 3, Shogun 1,4 and 5 for the record. Though I honestly think 1 and 2 could have gone either way depending on what your criteria for scoring is.
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This is the part I dont get cuz the damage to Lyoto's legs came from the looping Thai kicks that could never be possible from the clinch.....so I'm just kinda confused as to what you even mean, he was kneeing Lyoto from the clinch but they both were and Lyoto was landing more counter strikes to the head of Rua....not that Rogan noticed....Machida switches from south paw to traditional all the time he does it multiple times in rounds...
Shogun took Machida's lead leg with kicks, but I remember Shogun attacking Lyoto's thighs in the clinch, they both were landing in the clinch, I thought Shogun was causing more damage in the clinch though. Rogan was kind of annoying in that fight, he didn't see a single Machida counter, he was obsessive over Rua throwing roundhouses which did land, but they really only look cool. He did cause some damage with them though, I just think it wasn't as much as some people seem to think, usually if a strike makes a sound it was basically a slap and didn't cause a lot of damage. The strikes that cause damage give off more of a thud. But really I don't think either guy was really damaged in that fight, Shogun did rough up Lyoto's lead leg quite a bit, but that was about it. other then that they both looked a little hesitant to reallu engage one another. The only time either moved forward was when Machida pushed Shogun to the cage for that flurry at the end of three and got countered.

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There are many different leg defenses available to Machida for these leg kicks, his Father was quoted as saying these would be the first area's to work on along with Anderson throwing a shit load of Thai kicks as to mimic Rua....you may see a slight adjustment in Machida's stance but i think you mainly will see alot more movement attacking in then getting out.....
Here's the thing, Anderson may be one of the greatest fighters ever, but he still doesn't fight like Shogun. He can throw Thai kicks all day but it's not going to look like Shogun. Machida can only dance in and out if he doesn't get his legs beat all to hell again. Shogun stopped Machida from doing that, Lyoto didn't just not do it. Shogun forced Machida to change his stance and he couldn't move as effectively once he went orthodox.


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Maybe for like Bruce Lee but not in Shotokan karate, or Machida Karate the main element is to not get hit, I'm not sure why they would train combo's if they expected to go out there nd with one shot win the fight.....again, your not going to see Machida do badly in the clinch he worked Muay Thai for a long time and has Sumo, again....when have you seen him get taken down???
I don't even pretend to know a damn thing about Machida Karate, haha, so you've got me there. I don't know that anyone has taken him down, nor do I see this fight going to the ground. I see a more aggressive standing fight, just like the first time. But I don't know that I've seen him taken down, though I think a lot of that has to do with his speed as much as his TDD. I don't know that Machida will do badly in the clinch, I just think Shogun is much better and Lyoto would do best to avoid the clinch. Why give up your speed and allow Shogun to grab you?



It's going to be an interesting fight to say the least, and honestly don't really care who wins as long as the score cards don't get read at the end. Both guys are way to good to have three ringside judges decide who is better.
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I have never seen Dana say he thought Machida won, everything I seen he said he had it 3-2 Shogun. Don't know about Shogun the most I can remember is after the fight him saying his corner telling him he had won the fight. I gave Machida 2 and 3, Shogun 1,4 and 5 for the record. Though I honestly think 1 and 2 could have gone either way depending on what your criteria for scoring is.


Shogun took Machida's lead leg with kicks, but I remember Shogun attacking Lyoto's thighs in the clinch, they both were landing in the clinch, I thought Shogun was causing more damage in the clinch though. Rogan was kind of annoying in that fight, he didn't see a single Machida counter, he was obsessive over Rua throwing roundhouses which did land, but they really only look cool. He did cause some damage with them though, I just think it wasn't as much as some people seem to think, usually if a strike makes a sound it was basically a slap and didn't cause a lot of damage. The strikes that cause damage give off more of a thud. But really I don't think either guy was really damaged in that fight, Shogun did rough up Lyoto's lead leg quite a bit, but that was about it. other then that they both looked a little hesitant to reallu engage one another. The only time either moved forward was when Machida pushed Shogun to the cage for that flurry at the end of three and got countered.



Here's the thing, Anderson may be one of the greatest fighters ever, but he still doesn't fight like Shogun. He can throw Thai kicks all day but it's not going to look like Shogun. Machida can only dance in and out if he doesn't get his legs beat all to hell again. Shogun stopped Machida from doing that, Lyoto didn't just not do it. Shogun forced Machida to change his stance and he couldn't move as effectively once he went orthodox.




I don't even pretend to know a damn thing about Machida Karate, haha, so you've got me there. I don't know that anyone has taken him down, nor do I see this fight going to the ground. I see a more aggressive standing fight, just like the first time. But I don't know that I've seen him taken down, though I think a lot of that has to do with his speed as much as his TDD. I don't know that Machida will do badly in the clinch, I just think Shogun is much better and Lyoto would do best to avoid the clinch. Why give up your speed and allow Shogun to grab you?



It's going to be an interesting fight to say the least, and honestly don't really care who wins as long as the score cards don't get read at the end. Both guys are way to good to have three ringside judges decide who is better.


I didnt mean Dana said he won the fight, I just meant the rds Dana said he thought Lyoto won.

The leg kicks are going to be nullified I can almost asssure you of that, its not that he wot land any, its that there will be less option to, and he knows it....
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I didnt mean Dana said he won the fight, I just meant the rds Dana said he thought Lyoto won.

The leg kicks are going to be nullified I can almost asssure you of that, its not that he wot land any, its that there will be less option to, and he knows it....
We'll see, I know that if Shogun lands those like he did in the first and Machida is in the same shape by round 4, Shogun will win.

I'm interested to see what they come up with for each other this time around, Shogun had a great gameplan. This time around I think they will both come in with a great one. Just hope it a good fight. It can't get here soon enough.
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Shoguns trick in the sleeve - first round win via flying triangle choke. After that fight this move will be renamed to "Taming of the Dragon" (Something like "Kimura" case)

If Tito was able to make triangle on ground - Shogun will make it on feet!
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Shoguns trick in the sleeve - first round win via flying triangle choke. After that fight this move will be renamed to "Taming of the Dragon" (Something like "Kimura" case)

If Tito was able to make triangle on ground - Shogun will make it on feet!
******* love it...taming the dragon hahaha, don't think it's happening, but the amount of WTF that would happen if Shogun did that would be insane.

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Shoguns trick in the sleeve - first round win via flying triangle choke. After that fight this move will be renamed to "Taming of the Dragon" (Something like "Kimura" case)

If Tito was able to make triangle on ground - Shogun will make it on feet!

LOL @ that logic......r you taking side bets???
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