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*SPOILER* Updated P4P list

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
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So with penn loosing and silva looking like garbage does this put GSP at most peoples number 1 spot?
 
#7 ·
If we're talking actual Pound for Pound rankings, Penn drops, while Silva likely stays where he is (though he's moved up the Jackass rankings). If we're talking biased fans who refuse to think logically, I can see how BJ losing to a complete underdog might result in his being ranked higher than GSP, who hasn't lost a round, let alone a fight since 2007. Honestly, people... I like BJ as much as the next guy, but tonight hurt him. Not that he'd be ranked above a fighter who dominated him for five rounds and gave him multiple concussions to begin with.
 
#11 ·
Yep I got Nick above Fedor and Silva also, just because he's in my sig. Nothing is a fluke, Serra knocked him out. Hence why Gsp is so tight in his gnp now to never let that happen again. Thanks for the effort though.
 
#15 ·
BJ drops a slot for me. I'm one of his biggest fans, but a loss is a loss, and it's not as if he was winning the whole fight then just got knocked out, he lost a decision.

If anything, UFC 112 reconfirms Fedor being #1 for me.

BJ lost, GSP didn't have a good fight with Hardy, and isn't finishing nearly as much as one would hope the top P4P guy would, especially against Hardy level competition, Anderson.. I don't even need to talk about that. Fedor is finishing all his fights coupled with all his other credentials, there's no doubt he's #1, IMO.

1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. GSP
4. BJ
 
#16 ·
The judging was awful in the BJ fight but he still has to drop below GSP and Fedor. Thinking Silva looked like garbage is absurd he made a guy who was rolling a lot of the division look like he didn't even know how to fight. This really just cements him as the greatest MMA fighter ever.
 
#17 ·
Pre ufc 112:

GSP
Penn
Fedor
Silva

now:
GSP
Fedor
Penn
Silva

Still keeping Penn and Silva on top 4 as I believe Penn did the same mistake Sherk did against him and kept striking with a guy with better stand up instead of taking the fight to the ground. As for Silva... well he is even further from top 3 now, but still 4th. As I said on the offical Silvs vs. Maia topic though I actually scored the fight as Draw and could easily see Maia winning it too if you scored 4th round as 10-8 round too.
 
#23 ·
Frankie Edgar is p4p better than BJ, BJ does not have a reserved spot on this list. He got owned, looked slow. I put all undefeated fighters at the top (there could be a correleation between greatness and invincibility) so:

1. Fedor
2. MAchida
3. AS
4. GSP
5. Frankie

ps BJ's record is 15-6, that right 6 losses is 6 losses don't care if they were to Brock.
 
#59 ·
ps BJ's record is 15-6, that right 6 losses is 6 losses don't care if they were to Brock.
You don't care if those losses were to Lesnar? That is just silly dude. What BJ's record really shows is that this is a fighter that wants to prove himself at any division and who fears nothing. His losses are:

Pulver (first time in a title fight, won the first two but got overwhelmed by the moment and lost a tight decision)
Machida (enough said)
GSP (razor cloze decision. BJ clearly did more damage)
Hughes (gassed and got TKO'd by a Hughes in his prime. No shame in doing that, for a fighter out of his comfort zone in weight anyway)
GSP again
Edgar

Looking at this record it should be clear that BJ doesn't pick fights to win, he fights to challenge himself. Even if the record looks kinda shabby, you have to look beyond the numbers man. Everyone now talks about how Fedor is no longer P4P king because of how he doesn't agree to the biggest challenges right now. When a guy does move out in deep waters time and time again, and pays the price, you hold that against him? Gimme a break.

On topic: I would let BJ move up to second if he won tonight, but with this result i can't do it. So my list still stands:

1. Anderson
2. GSP
3. BJ
4. Fedor
5. Machida
 
#32 ·
But BJ has fought at WW on and off his entire career... this wasn't some one shot deal, which is what people don't seem to understand. If you actively and openly fight at two weight classes, you're reputation exists in both. Are you going to tell me that had Anderson lost to James Irvin, his status wouldn't have dropped simply because Anderson is the champion at 185? Get out of here. When you consider that BJ took it to GSP in their first fight, and defeated Matt Hughes when defeating Matt Hughes meant something, both of which happened at WW, this whole 'but he moved up, so it doesn't count' mentality really just becomes a lot of malarkey. Penn was the WW champion, but hey... his WW fights don't count. Right.
 
#39 ·
Before UFC 112:

1) Silva
2) Fedor
3) GSP
4) Penn

After UFC 112:

1) Fedor
2) GSP
3) A Silva
4) Penn

I don't know what Silva's problem is, but he doesn't deserve P4P best anymore. AS the elite striker he should have just finished maia rather than playing games and then running in circles.

Fedor could lose a close decision to Brock and still be best P4P imo based on the massive weight difference. Brock and Carwin should be in a SHW class.

BJ Penn can no longer be declared an elite P4P fighter if he can't dominate his natural division.
 
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