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Old 04-12-2010, 11:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Crazy explaination by Douglas Crosby for the 50-45

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/12...y-explains-why

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So....Just returned from Abu Dhabi, and I haven't been in my duplex more than 20 minutes, when the Doorman calls me on the intercom in a state of panic.... Seems there are hundreds of moaning, howling ghouls in "RVCA" and "Prodigy/Hilo Boy" T-shirts surrounding the building like extras from "Zombieland"... And they're chanting "50/45!" over and over, and trying to push their way into the lobby..... Thank God the Father and Sonny Jesus none of them have the elevator key to my penthouse.....So I think I'm safe for awhile... Which gives me a little time to talk to you, my dear friends.

So I'm wondering.....Should I tell you how I scored Penn/Edgar, and why, right now, up front? But that seems kinda like the Pope or the King back in the day, just writing down what he wants to say, and having one of his burly churls nail it to the door of the church for everyone to read...It seems a bit...distant, a bit 'above it all', don'tcha think? Because God knows I have plenty to say and no shortage of burly churls; no dearth of hulking familiars to do my bidding have I....

Perhaps just announcing my presence is enough for now. Perhaps simply allowing some of you, my faithful friends and fellow MMA devotees, to say what YOU want to say is more....Democratic; more... Enlightened... A behaviour more consistent with a Progressive such as myself

After all, isn't that my job? Isn't it incumbent upon me, as a Judge, to make myself available for your criticism? If I take the plane ride, and get to the venue, and score the fights, I have a kind of....Contract with the fans; a contract that specifically allows you to criticize me. And I will be glad to defend the terms of that agreement, even if it means I have to take the weight sometimes... I knew this was coming as I scored the fight. I knew the inescapable inevitability of criticism was waiting back here. I saw the ride; and I bought a ticket

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So allow me to cast up my accounts with you as equitably as possible, won't you? Interestingly, I've been slightly taken aback by the response my score for the Penn/Edgar fight has engendered...but not in the way (some of) you guys have responded....I kind of expected that. What's been surprising is how many people, at the event, in the hotel, at the airport, fighters, production staff, etc., have told me how glad they were that I scored the FIGHT, and not the FIGHTERS.

Are you guys with me on that, even just a little? Can you understand what I mean by that? May I also mention that I forgive you? For your anger, your insults, and your crassness? NOT all of you....You know who you are. Yes; YOU: Over there, with the purple Nikes on, waiting for the spaceship in the tail of comet to come take you to a world where everyone agrees with you....and YOU over there...the one who thinks his heroes never lose.... So yes, I forgive you. I started this thread knowing that a percentage of you would behave the way you have. I knew you would when I scored the fight as well. I forgave you then. And even as I forgave you, I prepared myself to defend your right to criticize me, and make myself available for that criticism. Isn't that something I kind of...started out by saying?
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All of that being said..... I've mentioned numerous times on other threads that the scoring criteria exist for a reason, just like the 10-point "must" system exists for a reason; and that the scoring criteria are guidelines within which Judges arrive at a decision on a round-by-round basis. It is a Judge's obligation to interpret the fight and use the criteria as guidelines. But a fight is an observed event that does require interpretation, observation, wisdom. And, in my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn.

And that is an interpretation by a ringside observer with an understanding and appreciation of MMA, who has Judged numerous (hundreds) of fights. I re-watched the fight in my hotel in Abu Dhabi and saw nothing that would influence me to score it any differently. I support and encourage your right to criticize my scoring. And I forgive you for your attacks of both a professional, and, regrettably, personal nature.
Is it just me or is this guy batshit crazy?
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I am honestly not even going to read this. I am not going to waste 5minute reading a bunch of excuses for that horrible judging. what a clown
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I read it, and what I don't like is that he clumps everyone who disagrees with his 45-50 score as some loony, nuthugging fan who can't see past his own bias. That's totally unfair. Even most people on this forum who hate BJ know that 45-50 was ridiculous.
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:32 AM   #4 (permalink)
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How in the world did round 1 go to Edgar???
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Guy might be loony but I thought Edgar won by 49-46. Penn wasn't dismantled, but there wasn't 1 round where you stood and said "Penn easily won that one". 50-45 may be wrong, but to me it isn't that far off.

Either way if you said Penn won then you are just plain wrong. I don't care all that much what the scores are as long as the right guy won. And at least it wasn't some split decision.
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:45 AM   #6 (permalink)
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The guy isn't loony, I think he is worried about how he scored the fight and is trying to put up an intellectual barrier to anybody who disagrees with him. That is aggressive rambling. He wants to come across as someone who above me and you and BARELY if at all talks about how he scored the fight.

He does not tell us specifically how he judged the fight, but I DO agree with him that he doesn't have to do that, it is not his responsibility to tell us all exactly what happened. But to sit down and tell us he is going to explain how he judged the fight, and then not do so, is a touch bizarre.
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:46 AM   #7 (permalink)
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a fight is an observed event that does require interpretation, observation, wisdom. And, in my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn.
I think he was sucked in by Edgar's movement and coming forward and interpreted this as 'winning'. But Penn clearly oustruck Edgar in the earlier rounds and arguably the later rounds.

Also what are the criteria and the relevance of 'dictating the tone' of the fight? How do you score that? What is 'tone'? In Penn's last 2 fights both Diego and Kenny 'dictated the tone' but got wrecked in the process. Its irrelevant. In my opinion, Frankie was forcing the instances of contact but not winning them convincingly, certainly not in 50-45 manner.

This guy is jokes.
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After reading that diatribe, I really wonder how that guy is deemed mentally capable to judge a fight???
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