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Old 04-12-2010, 10:13 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Please do show me where there have been corrupt judges in the UFC. I'm very interested to see your proof.
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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im pretty sure that people that judge for a living are more qualify then us. Probably when u watch it live ring side in the best seat of the house make a deference in a point of view. no offence to established members lol. Im not a big fan of octagon control (randy couture holding u tight on the fence thing) but edgar was very active in the octagon compare to a rarely flat footed bj penn. Look like judge count that
Again, if you count that as scoring than you are incompetent and inept. Moving around =/= points. If so, Kalib Starnes beat Quarry by 10-8 score in the final round of that fight.

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Please do show me where there have been corrupt judges in the UFC. I'm very interested to see your proof.

Corrupt judging is never proven, even when it is obvious. (Jones vs the Korean, in Seoul, for example. Eugenia Williams, another)

So that's a weak answer to be honest. It's quite obvious that the UFC has had some VERY suspicious scoring over the past year.
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The stats prove just what everyone believed. Penn won 48-47. Also those stats fail because they actually called that a takedown in round 3. That was not a completed takedown. What is this amateur hour?

Not to mention BJ landed the harder shots all night.
Wait, BJ won it 48-47? How did he win the 3rd? He was out struck in the 4th and 5th and in the third Frankie landed 40% of his shots (the strikes were even in landing) and he was much more mobile while BJ looked to be accumulating damage.





Also, I would like to add to this thread that I've always thought Fight Metric is garbage. A ~30 strike disparity between the two is MASSIVE.
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:19 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Again, if you count that as scoring than you are incompetent and inept. Moving around =/= points. If so, Kalib Starnes beat Quarry by 10-8 score in the final round of that fight.




Corrupt judging is never proven, even when it is obvious. (Jones vs the Korean, in Seoul, for example. Eugenia Williams, another)

So that's a weak answer to be honest. It's quite obvious that the UFC has had some VERY suspicious scoring over the past year.
If you're going to compare what Starnes did to what Edgar did then you have no business debating.

Right, it's never been proven but you magically know it's there. Well good for you. Go live in your own little world with your conspiracy theories.
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:21 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Wait, BJ won it 48-47? How did he win the 3rd? He was out struck in the 4th and 5th and in the third Frankie landed 40% of his shots (the strikes were even in landing) and he was much more mobile while BJ looked to be accumulating damage.





Also, I would like to add to this thread that I've always thought Fight Metric is garbage. A ~30 strike disparity between the two is MASSIVE.

Power punches >>>>>> jabs.

Also it's just my opinion, but power punches to face > leg kicks
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:23 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If you're going to compare what Starnes did to what Edgar did then you have no business debating.

Right, it's never been proven but you magically know it's there. Well good for you. Go live in your own little world with your conspiracy theories.
You just stated that Edgar won a round by movement. Circling an opponent is just as valuable as what Starnes did. I'm pretty sure I have more business debating than a guy who thinks moving around the octagon scores points.

No that's actually called having eyes, and not being retarded and/or intoxicated.

50-45 is corrupt by any means for EITHER fighter.
48-47 Machida screams corrupt.
Hammill losing to Bisping, CORRUPT.

I don't settle for incompetence as an excuse when a 6 year old could've made a better call.

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Old 04-12-2010, 10:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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If you look at the fight round by round, it seems as if the fight was a draw. BJ outstruck Frankie the first 2 rounds and the 3rd was even. The last 2 rounds went to Frankie. If you look at the overall fight, it does seem as if Frankie won by a slim margin.
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Old 04-12-2010, 10:30 PM   #18 (permalink)
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If you look at the fight round by round, it seems as if the fight was a draw. BJ outstruck Frankie the first 2 rounds and the 3rd was even. The last 2 rounds went to Frankie. If you look at the overall fight, it does seem as if Frankie won by a slim margin.
I would've been fine with a draw. I would've been okay with a split decision win for Edgar, with the scores being around the 48-47 range. But the scores were all over the place, and just reeked of a foul fish stench.

Also just throwing this out here.

Sherdog
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Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Edgar (49-47 Penn)
Greg Savage scores the round 10-9 Edgar (48-47 Penn)
Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Edgar (49-46 Penn)


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Tough fight overall to call. Final round for Edgar. I have it 48-47 for Penn, but easily could have gone either way.

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49-47 Penn

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Danny Burkholder- Penn with a right hand and a knee to the body at the end of the round. 10-9 Edgar, so I would judge the fight for Penn, 49-46. We'll see what the real judges think.

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Jordan Breen scores the round 10-9 Penn (49-47 Penn) Greg Savage scores the round 10-9 Edgar (48-47 Penn) Mike Fridley scores the round 10-9 Edgar (49-46 Penn)

These are ALL the RBR's I saw within the first 10 or so pages on google. I didn't leave any out to support my argument, although I'm not really looking beyond that because doing a search on "Penn vs Edgar round by round" generates a shitload of sites with the "This site may harm your computer" tag underneath it for some reason.

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Old 04-12-2010, 10:33 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Really close fight.

My observations were that BJ wasn't shocked at the decision and even went over to congratulate him and Frankie was pretty confident he won at the end of the 5th.

I'd like to see a rematch. BJ will need to mix it up more and not just rely on his striking. Frankie is just too fast and it definitely discouraged BJ.
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I've watched this fight over and over.... B.J. won it hands down IMO.. there were rounds when Frankie landed damn near nothing and B.J. was jabbing his little face off and countering with hooks....

This fight wasn't even as close as Shogun-Machida IMO..
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