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Old 04-12-2010, 10:57 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Oh yes, it's all a conspiracy when our favorite fighter loses a close decision. God damn you Cecil Peoples, I knew you had something to do with this.

Honestly, if you think the judges are corrupt, you're just looking for a way to justify the fact that Penn didn't give Edgar a whooping like you thought he would.

What does being a moderator have to do with anything? I'm sorry but being here longer does not give you a higher opinion than others. Also, the UFC doesn't have anything to do with the judging smart guy. The judges are picked randomly by the athletics comission.

Instead of bashing the decision why don't you give Edgar his props. He came in there looking better than he ever has and even if you didn't think he won, he did way way better than any of you BJ fans thought he would.

How does he know what admins staff or long time members think......

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Wait, BJ won it 48-47? How did he win the 3rd? He was out struck in the 4th and 5th and in the third Frankie landed 40% of his shots (the strikes were even in landing) and he was much more mobile while BJ looked to be accumulating damage.





Also, I would like to add to this thread that I've always thought Fight Metric is garbage. A ~30 strike disparity between the two is MASSIVE.

Totally agree with the above in bold.....
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:00 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I've watched this fight over and over.... B.J. won it hands down IMO.. there were rounds when Frankie landed damn near nothing and B.J. was jabbing his little face off and countering with hooks....

This fight wasn't even as close as Shogun-Machida IMO..
Disagree sort of...

Actually I don't disagree. I could see it based on your perspective of things. Lyoto got credit(amongst his nuthuggers) for a SHITLOAD of blocked punches. I don't really understand why people have trouble seeing what is landed or not. I guess people just don't have the trained eye some of us have. I initially thought 50-45 Shogun, but I'm a Machida hater so I went back and rewatched in a manner that was completely objective and still scored it 49-46, with sound off. Not that it matters, because I'm not a dope that gets suckered in by commentary. I know when a fighter wins a fight, or Rogan is just talking out his ass like in the Belcher-Akiyama fight.
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I thought that Octagon control is what won this fight. They were both pretty close on the punches thrown/landed but Edgar had a CLEAR advantage in control. The fight happened the way he wanted it to when he wanted it to. BJ landed harder punches, no doubt, but not enough of them to win!
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Disagree sort of...

Actually I don't disagree. I could see it based on your perspective of things. Lyoto got credit(amongst his nuthuggers) for a SHITLOAD of blocked punches. I don't really understand why people have trouble seeing what is landed or not. I guess people just don't have the trained eye some of us have. I initially thought 50-45 Shogun, but I'm a Machida hater so I went back and rewatched in a manner that was completely objective and still scored it 49-46, with sound off. Not that it matters, because I'm not a dope that gets suckered in by commentary. I know when a fighter wins a fight, or Rogan is just talking out his ass like in the Belcher-Akiyama fight.

Did you count Machida's counters and how the hell could you have it 50-45...that isn't even funny its total nut hugging, to get to 49-46 is still bullshit, Machida won 1,2,3...in that fight period and Shogun won 4,5 problem is Shogun didn't finish the fight and Machida didn't get anywhere near the credit deserved for the win or the counters he landed.....

Long time members opinion, former staff member of the Yr..... FTR I bet BJ and thought he lost.....I have only watched it once....
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Because none of that means shit unless you are Cecil Peoples or these other corrupt judges looking for ways to give fighters decisions.

1.)How the **** does movement count for scoring? That's the most retarded post I've ever seen on MMAF.

Also, 2.)I should say, all of the intelligent(mods, super mods, admins, established members) had the fight either 49-47 BJ, 48-47 BJ, or 48-47 Edgar. Anyone else is just a hater, nuthugger or belongs on a 3.)UFC judging panel along with the rest of the guys who can't score fights worth a damn.
1.)Octagon control ...which honestly I was giving to penn most rounds because he was standing in the middle and frankie was having to move around him

2.) it was a semi close fight but I had it scored for frankie at the end and I am one of thee biggest Penn nuthuggers on these forums

3.) unfortunately the ufc scoring system is not perfect by any means but that is all the judges have to go on, the judge that scored it 50-45 for frankie though is a idiot

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Oh yes, it's all a conspiracy when our favorite fighter loses a close decision. God damn you Cecil Peoples, I knew you had something to do with this.

Honestly, if you think the judges are corrupt, you're just looking for a way to justify the fact that Penn didn't give Edgar a whooping like you thought he would.

What does being a moderator have to do with anything? I'm sorry but being here longer does not give you a higher opinion than others. Also, the UFC doesn't have anything to do with the judging smart guy. The judges are picked randomly by the athletics comission.

Instead of bashing the decision why don't you give Edgar his props. He came in there looking better than he ever has and even if you didn't think he won, he did way way better than any of you BJ fans thought he would.
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Did you count Machida's counters and how the hell could you have it 50-45...that isn't even funny its total nut hugging, to get to 49-46 is still bullshit, Machida won 1,2,3...in that fight period and Shogun won 4,5 problem is Shogun didn't finish the fight and Machida didn't get anywhere near the credit deserved for the win or the counters he landed.....

Long time members opinion, former staff member of the Yr..... FTR I bet BJ and thought he lost.....I have only watched it once....
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1.)Octagon control ...which honestly I was giving to penn most rounds because he was standing in the middle and frankie was having to move around him

2.) it was a semi close fight but I had it scored for frankie at the end and I am one of thee biggest Penn nuthuggers on these forums

3.) unfortunately the ufc scoring system is not perfect by any means but that is all the judges have to go on, the judge that scored it 50-45 for frankie though is a idiot
I've already said I could see justification for a 1 point Edgar win. But I could see justification for a 2 point Penn win, so really it's stunning to me that Edgar would win a UD and by wide scores. It's suspicious to me. The 3rd was close(I gave to Penn on power punches and an impressive flurry on a takedown defense)but I can't see giving more than 3 to Edgar. While I can see all but the 5th being given to Penn.

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*going to re-watch Penn Edgar right now*


@ TLC I am and you are but dude...50-45 or even 49-46...is bullshit.....
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I've watched this fight over and over.... B.J. won it hands down IMO.. there were rounds when Frankie landed damn near nothing and B.J. was jabbing his little face off and countering with hooks....

This fight wasn't even as close as Shogun-Machida IMO..
Damn it you are going to make me rewatch the fight again now
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I've watched this fight over and over.... B.J. won it hands down IMO.. there were rounds when Frankie landed damn near nothing and B.J. was jabbing his little face off and countering with hooks....

This fight wasn't even as close as Shogun-Machida IMO..

I watching the fight can you elaborate...I mean I agree with octagon control and the 1st Frankie seemed a lil more active in the begining but as the rd went on BJ took control, I just am curious what makes this fight so NOT close to you???
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Disagree sort of...

Actually I don't disagree. I could see it based on your perspective of things. Lyoto got credit(amongst his nuthuggers) for a SHITLOAD of blocked punches. I don't really understand why people have trouble seeing what is landed or not. I guess people just don't have the trained eye some of us have. I initially thought 50-45 Shogun, but I'm a Machida hater so I went back and rewatched in a manner that was completely objective and still scored it 49-46, with sound off. Not that it matters, because I'm not a dope that gets suckered in by commentary. I know when a fighter wins a fight, or Rogan is just talking out his ass like in the Belcher-Akiyama fight.
Machida VS Shogun was a hell of a close fight... damn near equal in strikes landed.. on agressivness as well they both really had their moments... Machida opened up on shogun a couple of times and did his own stalking..

Both displayed octogon control in that fight...

That all in all was a seriously hard one to call IMO.

Penn - Edgar... wow. That was a horrible call... Edgar didn't do enough.. he's a good fighter but what did he really do but bob and weave?

What ever happend to "be the champion you have to convincingly beat the champion"?


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I watching the fight can you elaborate...I mean I agree with octagon control and the 1st Frankie seemed a lil more active in the begining but as the rd went on BJ took control, I just am curious what makes this fight so NOT close to you???
B.J. stalked Edgar... alot.

Dodged punches and landed counters... utilized the jab..

Kept Frankie moving.... kept frankie on his bicycle damn near the entire fight..

And he landed alot of what he threw... while Frankie for the most part never opened up at all... just kind of sparred with B.J. and coasted the entire fight..

B.J. was killing him with that jab. Counters and Jabs that land are effective agression.

Stalking is Octogon control.

And Strikes landed speaks for itself...

Watch that fight again if you disagree with me... hey sometimes we're gonna have a difference of opinion..
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