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Old 01-13-2007, 03:12 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Look low, kick high like GSP

Just something I've wondered about watching lots of MMA fights and post-fight interviews.

Anyone notice that when Rogon for example is interviewing the winning fighter, the fighter oftentimes reports to the world what "secret" strategy he just used to beat his opponent? GSP for example told the whole world that he beat Matt Hughes's ass by getting him used to the low kick in the first round then faking by looking down and kicking high to the head. Now GSP was looking strong to win that fight with or without the grand finale, but against a tougher opponent that trick might have been a good "tool to keep in his toolkit" as Randy said that night as commentator before he re-entered the fray (hooray btw). But is that trick going to work as well on the next guy to face GSP if the guy does his homework? I mean the next figher who can compete with GSP, whenever/whomever that might be. Maybe Penn. That guy will be watching for that move. Had GSP not bragged about it probably no one including Hughes could have figured out that that's what happened, Matt got KOed so bad he thought he got punched!

That's just an example, you see it all the time, fighters are so happy they want to say just what sneaky trick they trained that helped beat their opponent. More interesting for us to hear about the tricks, but smarter to keep quiet and just give Rogon something generic about training hard?
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Old 01-13-2007, 03:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure these guys are smart enough to watch films and figure out what technique was used on them. Rogan isnt letting out anything top secret that most posters here couldnt figure out.
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Hmm I guess you're right about most of the things in post-fight interviews. In the GSP fight it seemed more relevant, since while it's true if you watch the fight with GSP and Hughes you can see that GSP was kicking low all first round then suddenly went upstairs, so you might try to be ready for that if you had to face GSP, I thought it would be pretty hard to see on DVD or tape where his eyes looked at that very moment. GSP said he purposely looked down at Hughes's leg while kicking high (GSP was proud of it and seemed to think that made a difference in connecting with poor Hughes's head ). I thought that was quite a trick too since fighters look each other in the eye and the eye can give a lot away

But I realize GSP was well on his way to beating Hughes's anyway with or without that trick since he wasn't about to gas out like old BJ!
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Hmm I guess you're right about most of the things in post-fight interviews. In the GSP fight it seemed more relevant, since while it's true if you watch the fight with GSP and Hughes you can see that GSP was kicking low all first round then suddenly went upstairs, so you might try to be ready for that if you had to face GSP, I thought it would be pretty hard to see on DVD or tape where his eyes looked at that very moment. GSP said he purposely looked down at Hughes's leg while kicking high (GSP was proud of it and seemed to think that made a difference in connecting with poor Hughes's head ). I thought that was quite a trick too since fighters look each other in the eye and the eye can give a lot away

But I realize GSP was well on his way to beating Hughes's anyway with or without that trick since he wasn't about to gas out like old BJ!

Regardless of whether or not someone reveals their secrets, it doesn't matter how much their next opponent studies there tendencies. If the fighter is really good at that particular "trick" as you call it, then there is no stopping it. For example, GSP is known for spinning back kicks. He used it against Hughes in their first fight, again Heiron, and against Sherk to name a few. Then he used it again against Hughes in their second fight. Hughes knew that he was going to do this b/c it is a tendency of GSP to do it, however Hughes was unable to do any thing to stop it. Another example is Chuck Liddell. He tells everybody what his game plan is, yet no one can beat him. He goes out there and tries to knock his opponent out. Even though his opponent knows what he is going to do, they have trouble stopping it. Same thing goes for GSP's kick where he looks down and kicks high. Someone can study that for years if they want to, and try to anticipate it in the fight. However, when you are actually in there, fighting with the guy it is a whole different story. Just b/c you know a tendency of a fighter does not mean you can stop it when it comes to actually fighting him.
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Regardless of whether or not someone reveals their secrets, it doesn't matter how much their next opponent studies there tendencies. If the fighter is really good at that particular "trick" as you call it, then there is no stopping it. For example, GSP is known for spinning back kicks. He used it against Hughes in their first fight, again Heiron, and against Sherk to name a few. Then he used it again against Hughes in their second fight. Hughes knew that he was going to do this b/c it is a tendency of GSP to do it, however Hughes was unable to do any thing to stop it. Another example is Chuck Liddell. He tells everybody what his game plan is, yet no one can beat him. He goes out there and tries to knock his opponent out. Even though his opponent knows what he is going to do, they have trouble stopping it. Same thing goes for GSP's kick where he looks down and kicks high. Someone can study that for years if they want to, and try to anticipate it in the fight. However, when you are actually in there, fighting with the guy it is a whole different story. Just b/c you know a tendency of a fighter does not mean you can stop it when it comes to actually fighting him.
Good point, like Shonnie's spinning back fist, twice he gets it to connect on Serra. Course first time it KHTFO, but not the second time when Serra was waiting for it. I think it must help at least some to know in advance, but it's true if the fighter is good it might not make a difference to the outcome, e.g., Liddell.

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Just something I've wondered about watching lots of MMA fights and post-fight interviews.

Anyone notice that when Rogon for example is interviewing the winning fighter, the fighter oftentimes reports to the world what "secret" strategy he just used to beat his opponent? GSP for example told the whole world that he beat Matt Hughes's ass by getting him used to the low kick in the first round then faking by looking down and kicking high to the head. Now GSP was looking strong to win that fight with or without the grand finale, but against a tougher opponent that trick might have been a good "tool to keep in his toolkit" as Randy said that night as commentator before he re-entered the fray (hooray btw). But is that trick going to work as well on the next guy to face GSP if the guy does his homework? I mean the next figher who can compete with GSP, whenever/whomever that might be. Maybe Penn. That guy will be watching for that move. Had GSP not bragged about it probably no one including Hughes could have figured out that that's what happened, Matt got KOed so bad he thought he got punched!

That's just an example, you see it all the time, fighters are so happy they want to say just what sneaky trick they trained that helped beat their opponent. More interesting for us to hear about the tricks, but smarter to keep quiet and just give Rogon something generic about training hard?

Also maybe next time if GSP feels Hughes knows, then he will just keep low kicking. Matt Hughes' lack of checking the low kick will end up to him feeling handicapped in the ring. You have to understand that these small strategies are dependent upon people noticing them PARTIALLY. What would have happened if Matt hughes never noticed GSP looking down(which he may actually not have), then in GSP's mind he couldn't setup the high kick. Now that GSP knows matt Hughes knows that he is looking down to eventually kick up, GSP can work off of that.


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Yes, that also makes sense, a la rock paper scissors strategy
So once you get he opponent to anticipate and move to defend some body part before you attack it, you attack the hole he leaves behind.

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doesn't really make a difference. if you get leg kicked like 10 times and hes looking at your leg every time, you cant help but feel the next one will be to your leg as well. it's not really a secret strategy, it would have helped to keep it on the DL, but it can still work.
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I think it was something GSP came up with on the fly and wont likly use it again....
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Just watched the fight again on DVD, great fight (for GSP that is )! Randy Couture interviewed him, not Joe. GSP said to Randy in the post-fight, "I knew he was worried for my leg kick, so, I saw it, so I decide to fake a leg kick, I look down, and I kick it in his head. So, I practice a lot this move, in ahh, in training. I look down, he expect me to kick down, Boom! I hit him on the head. And now this is it he was out."

So GSP practiced this a lot in training he says. Wonder what he's practicing for poor Serra...
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