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Lyoto Machida vs Jon Jones.. what do you think?

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#1 ·
I think this could make for a very interesting fight. Machida has been exposed in his last fight and I could honestly see Jones winning this fight. Thoughts?
 
#5 · (Edited)
I see Machida winning. Yes Shogun destroyed him but I have rewatched the fight a fw times and honestly Machida was winning (for 3 minutes lol) but ya he made 1 mistake. he landed his signature knee to the body (ortiz) and then after that he did his fencer diving in straight left. Too bad for him Shogun was waiting with a right.

Machida is still top 3 LHW in the world imo and would beat Jones.
 
#6 ·
Was GSP exposed when he lost to Serra. The skill level is obviously closer between Rua and Lyoto. It is not like Rua was kicking his ass all round (I think Lyoto was probably winning the round up until that flash shot). Anyone can get caught with a punch...look closely at where the punch from Rua landed. Almost the back of the head. Congrats to Rua, but this does not diminish Lyoto at all.
 
#7 ·
Machida has not been exposed. He was doing good till he got caught. MAchida just went up aganist someone who is better. That does not mean he is a b-level fighter. He is still the second best LHW. He should still be fighting his way up for another shot at the tittle. Dana will not risk Jon Jones right now. They want to build him up as much as they can till they send him in their with top tier competition.
 
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#10 ·
Machida would still beat Jones, he's still one of the best fighters at LHW.

Jones only way of winning would be to take him down, and you saw how easily he tossed Shogun around in the clinch/grappling area.

Jones' striking is still a bit wild and sloppy to be facing a counter striker like Machida.
 
#12 ·
It's too early in Jones' career to throw him against Machida. And he's building steam, so he shouldn't be used as a sacrificial lamb to begin the road back to the title.

Also, I agree w/ many others, Machida wasn't "exposed." A weakness was found, but it's not like Kimbo... it's not a weakness that anyone can take advantage of.
 
#42 ·
It's too early in Jones' career to throw him against Machida. And he's building steam, so he shouldn't be used as a sacrificial lamb to begin the road back to the title.

Also, I agree w/ many others, Machida wasn't "exposed." A weakness was found, but it's not like Kimbo... it's not a weakness that anyone can take advantage of.
bahahahahaha, the dudes lhw champ so what the hell you talking about? :confused02:
 
#15 ·
i actually think jon jones's reach and length would stress machida out and he doesn't have enough power to really hurt jones
 
#16 ·
Bones could take him down and beat on him but he would get exposed pretty bad striking with Machida. His cardio has been questioned as well and Machida is a master of the art of decision so the longer the fight goes it should favor Machida.

I really don't think Bones is ready to beat any of the top guys except Rashad who he would ragdoll and murder with GNP. The guy doesn't have that many fights and is really young if he wins his next fight he should be taking on someone like Randy or the winner of Chuck/Franklin.
 
#46 ·
Bones could take him down and beat on him but he would get exposed pretty bad striking with Machida. His cardio has been questioned as well and Machida is a master of the art of decision so the longer the fight goes it should favor Machida.

I really don't think Bones is ready to beat any of the top guys except Rashad who he would ragdoll and murder with GNP. The guy doesn't have that many fights and is really young if he wins his next fight he should be taking on someone like Randy or the winner of Chuck/Franklin.
Are you smoking crack? RANDY?? CHUCK??? FRANKLIN???? I normally lurk but wtf.
 
#19 ·
Let's be realistic for a second here fellas. Yes Jones is basically undefeated and his hype is at an all-time high (i love him just as much as the next guy) and Machida is coming off a controversial win followed by a devastating KO, but Jones is still not ready for a fight like this.
Machida would definitely win if they fought right now because he is very technical and accurate while Jones can be a bit sloppy at times (Machida will surely take advantage of that). Also, Jones has no experience against an elite fighter whereas Machida has beaten guys like Rich Franklin, BJ Penn, Shogun, Rashad, Thiago Silva, Tito Ortiz, etc. A big part of Jones's game is his great and unique takedown abilities but Machida has extremely good TDD and i cant see someone like Jones taking him down or even getting in close enough range to take him down for that matter.
Bottom line: if they fought now Machida would easily win but Jones is still very young and in time could pose a threat to Machida and whoever is the champ in the future.
 
#21 ·
let be realistic for one second yes Jones is sick and raw but he is not ready for Machida. Just because Machida lost to shogun does not mean he is garbage and is not above the talent pool in LHW. So far Jones strength is his take down GNP and unpredictable striking. Machida will adjust and be a better striker. Hell jones can;t take him down, he may have lost one fight but machida take down defence is unreal.
 
#22 ·
jones's TD's are SUPER-DUPER UNREAL
 
#23 ·
Machida's style is tailor made to beat Jon Jones. Bones is only effective if he gets a hold of you, but he's very reckless in doing so. Jones doesn't have the striking abilities to distract Machida from his grappling, so Machida could just do his thing and test JJ's chin a bit. Machida also wouldn't have had to worry about leg kicks, so he can use whatever stance he likes unlike switching from traditional to southpaw after every leg kick. If Bones manages to get a hold of Machida in some way unimaginable (at least to me), Lyoto would be in trouble though. He can't use his footwork on the ground and as far as I remember we still haven't seen him on his back much. Still I think Lyoto could avoid JJ's wrestling and get the W.
 
#24 ·
Jones vs Machida

I can't see Machida beating Jones, the style match up doesn't really favor Lyoto. Machida benefits when he fights an aggressive fighter that he can counter attack which isn't Jon Jones, yes he will attack but not enough aggression to open him up enough for Machida to score heavily. Jones is too talented and comes from too smart of a camp to make mistakes that prior fighters have made, plus he can learn from ex teammate Rashad Evans to not under estimate Machidas power.

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#28 ·
Either it's a 1st/2nd round route by JBJ or Machida actually methodically picks him apart. I really think Machida can do it.
 
#30 ·
I think Jones would own Machida. Shogun beat Machida by being aggressive and attacking. Bones dismantled Shogun by doing predominantly the same. I'm not using those example as MMAth, I'm going by fight style. That, and Bones is clearly just a freak athlete. I don't see any of those flashy spinning elbows or backfists landing, because Machida is still a ******* ninja and superquick, but the distancing would be way different than what Machida is use because Bones has 10 inches on him and most of his previous opponents. And that means that many of the strikes that Machida was able to avoid in the past, would land easily and probably have devastating result.
 
#31 ·
I don't see any of those flashy spinning elbows or backfists landing, because Machida is still a ******* ninja and superquick, but the distancing would be way different than what Machida is use because Bones has 10 inches on him and most of his previous opponents.
I've frequently seen people post about Jones' reach advantage... but for some reason this post made me think of this
 

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Without starting an entirely new thread, here's a new article on what Machida thinks about fighting JBJ.

If Machida does regain his supremacy at 205 pounds, he figures to have to go through newly minted champion Jon Jones. The 23-year-old wunderkind blasted through Rua to capture the title with stunning ease at UFC 128 in March. Machida was one of many who took note.

“He’s blessed, genetically,” Machida says. “He’s a great guy and has the largest wingspan in UFC history. He profiles as an athlete. Just look at him. He always tries to keep himself trained and, above all else, he shows a seriousness for the sport. I think we’ve reached a plateau where if you aren’t serious or professional, your career is finished.”

Jones, the youngest champion in UFC history, has enjoyed a rapid ascent through the division and now ranks among the top pound-for-pound fighters in the world.

“I think Jones is a guy who has many resources and realizes it,” Machida says. “He doesn’t lose control. That not only makes him different; it makes him dangerous.”

Some see Machida’s unorthodox, counter-heavy style as potential kryptonite for Jones, who has shown no glaring weaknesses since arriving in the UFC. He does not believe one can compete with Jones in close quarters.

“Against a big guy, we cannot expose much in that distance,” Machida says. “Against that kind of guy, we cannot try to fight very close; we must try to fight with distance and be careful. I think more or less that’s the path.”

Jones, who trains under Greg Jackson in Albuquerque, N.M., brings phenomenal physical tools to the table. Blessed with an incredible 84.5-inch reach, the 6-foot-5, 205-pound champion has rattled off four consecutive victories -- all of them finishes -- since his disqualification loss to Matt Hamill at “The Ultimate Fighter 10” Finale in December 2009. His list of victims includes Rua, “The Ultimate Fighter” Season 8 winner Ryan Bader and former International Fight League champion Vladimir Matyushenko.

Machida relishes the idea of someday facing off with Jones, who figures only to improve as he enters his prime. First, he has to take care of Couture.

“I think every fight is very welcome, depending on the situation,” he says. “Nevertheless, I’m not in a situation where I can speak calmly about the belt. I’m still a little behind in the queue. I’m aware of all this. It’s not the time for me to talk, but surely Jones is a guy I would love to face. I don’t think he’s a bad matchup for me.”

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Legend-in-the-Crosshairs-31700
 
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