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Antonio Rogerio Nogueira 37 94.87%
Jason Brilz 2 5.13%
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I think this was a worse decision than Machida/Shogun 1 for sure. The reason it really bugs me though is in all honesty beating Little Nog may be the biggest thing that Brilz accomplishes in the sport and that was taken away from him. At 34 Brilz is not a young up and comer. Its now or never time for him and his biggest accomplishment was stolen from him and he will just be a another footnote on Nogs record. Bisping and Hammill were young up and comers,this is a verteran who really has not left his mark on the sport losing that opportunity.
But, Macihda defeated Shogun with a unanimous decision! This was split so it looks like somewhat more fair result...

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People don't realize that for every take down Lil Nog swept em and attempted submissions and vice versa. Therefore in my books it negates any of that because no damage was done. It then falls on strikes on the feet, ground, control of the octagon, and aggression. It was close, very close.
How anyone can say what occurred in the ground was even for the first 2 rounds is beyond me. Hey look a sweep followed by nothing or a sweep and getting caught in a deep guillotine and having to concede top position to get out. Oh yeah Lil Nog was well on par with Brilz on the ground

Go look at the ground strikes for the first 2 rounds and say Nog did not get tooled down there. Nog def had the stand up but he didnt do much up there and got tooled on the ground.
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How anyone can say what occurred in the ground was even for the first 2 rounds is beyond me. Hey look a sweep followed by nothing or a sweep and getting caught in a deep guillotine and having to concede top position to get out. Oh yeah Lil Nog was well on par with Brilz on the ground

Go look at the ground strikes for the first 2 rounds and say Nog did not get tooled down there. Nog def had the stand up but he didnt do much up there and got tooled on the ground.
I am not surprised that the judges scored a sweep that led to nothing. They do the same things with takedowns that lead to nothing. They are essentially the same thing. Not saying that Brilz did nothing with his takedowns, just saying that the judging of ground fighting has always been kinda jacked up.


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I am not surprised that the judges scored a sweep that led to nothing. They do the same things with takedowns that lead to nothing. They are essentially the same thing. Not saying that Brilz did nothing with his takedowns, just saying that the judging of ground fighting has always been kinda jacked up.
Great post! A sweep that leads to nothing is a change of position to your benefit, same with the takedown that leads to nothing.

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why is a takedown scored so highly amongst the people posting here, in the first brilz wasnt able to hold onto any dominant position for a great period of time, and when advancing was easily swept. Brilz overall in the first did not do enough to win it. dont forget nog did more damage standing, and attempted a submission in the first. Brilz fought a great fight, and stepped up to take on a very dangerous opponent, all credit should go to him for doing so. He took it to a decision where mostly everybody had written him off, even the ufc itself
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And Yves does it again. I got pissed to hear in the post interview with Brilz that when the ref touched his back he started to losen the guillotin because he thought the ref stopped the fight. Yves should learn to either stop or stay the hell out.

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I am not surprised that the judges scored a sweep that led to nothing. They do the same things with takedowns that lead to nothing. They are essentially the same thing. Not saying that Brilz did nothing with his takedowns, just saying that the judging of ground fighting has always been kinda jacked up.
A sweep that leads to nothing and a takedown that leads to nothing are completely different. One is an offensive maneuverer the other defensive. The fact you need to sweep means your in the disadvantaged position already. That is like saying you should get as much credit for avoiding a punch as landing one.




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A sweep that leads to nothing and a takedown that leads to nothing are completely different. One is an offensive maneuverer the other defensive. The fact you need to sweep means your in the disadvantaged position already. That is like saying you should get as much credit for avoiding a punch as landing one.
I disagree. A takedown that leads to nothing still leaves you in a dominant position. The same goes for a sweep. A sweep that leads to nothing will still leave someone in a dominant position. Honestly, I don't think that either of these should be held that high when it comes to scoring, I am just saying that this was my reasoning when thinking about how the judges could score sweeps like this.


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Nog won face it rounds 1 an 2 the sweeps edged it out for nog in round 1.

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Honestly i was hoping the judges did give it to nog, just so i could see this shitstorm fly. However i do think the decision made sense, champions rules in this, Big Name vs Nobody -rd 3 big name -round 2 nobody -round 1 ???? becomes big name since he wasnt beaten.

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