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Old 05-17-2010, 04:07 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Dropping him with a big knee and then casually outgrappling Randleman ending in a beautiful rnc is boring? We have vastly different definitions of that word, friend.
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Old 05-17-2010, 04:07 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Grappling in tournaments is not the samething as grappling in MMA. He couldn't even sub Randleman who is known as having suspect defense. And while Roger has better submissions, Jones is no slouch when it comes to grappling. Jones is the quicker, more explosive striker and his vastly superior wrestling will allow him to keep the fight where he wants it.

Come back in a year or two and we'll talk.
Grappling in tournaments is about 10x times harder then softening your openents with stand up and then trying to go for the submission.Roger worked his gameplan to perfection against Kevin and it worked.
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Dropping him with a big knee and then casually outgrappling Randleman ending in a beautiful rnc is boring? We have vastly different definitions of that word, friend.
Exactly some people i guess like watching Silva dance around like an idiot then Roger finishing his gameplan with perfection.
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If dominating at the ADCC assures you will be a top-tier MMA fighter...

then Dean Lister should be MW champ.

Jones is younger, more well-rounded, and has already faced much better competition... make that RUN THROUGH much better competition.

This fight has the potential to be as embarrassing for the Gracie clan as Hughes/Renzo... okay - OKAY - too far... sorry.

Maybe Saku is available for a date.
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This thread is non sense.

The idea of Roger fighting a top contender shouldn┤t even be debatable right now, since he┤s just a baby in the MMA game.

p.s. - Besides if we went opening a thread to each fight slightly possible in mma it would be chaos...
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Old 05-17-2010, 06:26 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I see Jones as being the dominant LHW in the next two years! He would destroy Gracie now, and he would destroy him in the future.

Jon 'Bones' Jones will be champ!
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I see Jones as being the dominant LHW in the next two years! He would destroy Gracie now, and he would destroy him in the future.

Jon 'Bones' Jones will be champ!
He's not going destroy shit if he fights Gracie like he fought Vera,he will however have about one broken arm.
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He's not going destroy shit if he fights Gracie like he fought Vera,he will however have about one broken arm.
He still smashed Vera... If Gracie v Jones happened I'm sure as shit Jones wouldn't let it get to the ground and i don't really see Gracie controlling him. But the beauty of mma is anything can happen.

My opinion is that Jones would knock him out in the first if they fought now, and he would do the same if they fight in the future.

To me they just they are not in the same league, when Roger Gracie fights someone that isn't a hack or way out of their prime then I might rethink, but for now Jones would own Gracie every day of the week and I havn't seen anything to make me think otherwise.
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Grappling in tournaments is about 10x times harder then softening your openents with stand up and then trying to go for the submission.Roger worked his gameplan to perfection against Kevin and it worked.
Punch a black belt in the face and he becomes a brown belt, punch him again and he's a purple belt, etc. etc. MMA BJJ and tournament BJJ are similar, but not always interchangeable. I've seen plenty of less credentialed fighters outgraple BJJ aces in a MMA match.

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Dropping him with a big knee and then casually outgrappling Randleman ending in a beautiful rnc is boring? We have vastly different definitions of that word, friend.
That was only after about 8 minutes of two non-strikers trying to strike.
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Not so sure, my original assumption was Jones all the way on the account that he is way faster, more explosive, aggressive and athletic, I have no doubt he would be winning the takedowns, and since the likes of Matt Hughes has proven that great wrestling is a really good counter to Gracie BJJ everything originally points to Jones winning this fight in style.

But then I stopped to think, Matt Hughes was a much more technical and patient wrestler than Jones, and part of the concert of BJJ is to use an opponents own strength against them, I have no doubt we would have to see Roger start off working from his back, but could Jones aggressive ground style leave open a window of opportunity for Gracies BJJ to prevail? Just maybe I think, I would not write Roger Gracie off completely in this fight for that reason, even tho I would still make Jones the favourite.
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