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post #41 of 44 (permalink) Old 06-04-2010, 05:34 PM
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I hate pro wrestling as much as anyone but at the end of the day you have to give it a rest, Brock IS a good enough wrestler that he is running the UFC HW division now. It is simply undeniable and he deserves credit, to do otherwise is frankly irrational.
I don't believe he is running the heavyweight division. I believe if you put JDS, Carwin, or Cain in his shoes they would be in the exact same spot as Brock. Brock has 3 wins over Mir, Couture, and Herring. I think it's irrational to consider that "running the division".

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I don't believe he is running the heavyweight division. I believe if you put JDS, Carwin, or Cain in his shoes they would be in the exact same spot as Brock. Brock has 3 wins over Mir, Couture, and Herring. I think it's irrational to consider that "running the division".
JDS, Carwin and Cain are not really much more tested by top competition than Lesnar. They just all have a bunch of lower tier opponents on their lists to round it out. That shows consistency and athleticism, but doesn't tell us much more about their peak ability. I mean there is a case to be made based on experience, but I think Brock would do fine against any of these guys.

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I don't believe he is running the heavyweight division. I believe if you put JDS, Carwin, or Cain in his shoes they would be in the exact same spot as Brock. Brock has 3 wins over Mir, Couture, and Herring. I think it's irrational to consider that "running the division".
If Brock Ko's JDS,Carwin,Fedor,Bartnett and Cain you'd still say he's a crap fighter...so whats the point in argueing here?No matter what he does it will never be good enough for you so why even bother talking about Brock?
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post #44 of 44 (permalink) Old 06-05-2010, 02:05 AM
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Uhg. This is like teaching geometry to a second grader.

Brock beat who he needed to beat at the time. I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT. However we now know that the guys who he beat were NOT the most talented in the division... regardless of what rankings said.

Now the UFC is making Brock their golden child with 3 wins over guys who we now know should have been there. (IE Carwin, JDS, or Cain could have and would have beat all 3 of Brocks wins if they were givent he chance).

Is that clear enough?

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Who exactly says that Cain and JDS can dominiate Mir? You stated that as if it's a fact. First Mir easily beats JDS. Secondly I think Cain and Mir is a toss up. There is no proof that Cain or JDS have any better chance against Lesnar than Mir. You're making a lot of assumptions, because you don't like Brock. The bottom line is this Carwin will lose to Brock, so will Cain and JDS. Then you'll come up with another reason why Brock isn't any good, because then those guys won't be in title contention. What will be your complaint then he hasn't beaten Nelson. Again the exact same argument can be used for Fedor. None of the guys he beat Cro cop, Nog, Syliva, Arlovski, or Rogers have been able to stack up to the divisions top HWs.
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