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Old 06-04-2010, 04:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bigger Freak of Nature in MMA - Brock or Bones?

Both guys are super-natural athletes, yes... NFL, NBA, and Soccer may have superior athletes.. but in MMA

They both attack like a bat out of hell from the bell, comparison:


Jon "Bones" Jones - 6'4", 84" reach (by the rule of wingspan = height, he should be 76", considering his non HW frame, I would wager he has the longest arms in MMA).

-Strongest clinch demonstrated at LHW.
-Hardest takedown guy at LHW - suplexes, bodyslams..unreal.
-Outstanding balance as demonstrated by his ability to land the spinning strikes.
-Chin somewhat tested by few landed power shots (but he's shrugged them all off).
-Takes advantage of kickers.
-No fear, killer instinct from the bell.

If he develops crisp Lennox Lewis type jabs, and the ability to check kicks/shows that he can throw just orthodox kicks in a multi-round war - he is the one at LHW. I have him as #2 LHW behind Anderson.



Brock Lesnar - 6'3", 83" reach, 300+ lbs

-Greatest 300+ athlete in MMA history- cardio, quickness, flying knees.
-The best TD artist in MMA off the bell.
-Outstading balance.
-If he gets the mount, he holds the position indefinitely with his wrestling acumen and athleticism.
-Ridiculous circuit routine for a guy that size.

Punching is a bit one dimensional, but his straight jab wherever it lands has enough force to knock guys off their feet. Not the precise short puncher as Carwin is, but I think that'll change, if he hasn't been worked on improving his dirty boxing already. Carwin landed about 40 short punches with atleast 30 to to the head in 15 seconds on Super-Mir - I don't know if Brock's there yet with hand speed and precision.
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Brock Lesnar, You have never seen a athlete at that size be as good as him. There have been just as big or bigger athletes, but they were all slow and somewhat predictable, Now lesnar is predictable also as in you know he will try a takedown, same with GSP, but they are just so hard to stop.

The only thing that Jones has in terms of "freak of nature" is his reach, all the other stuff are intangibles that dont go into the "freak of nature" category, that is just pure skill.
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Brock Lesnar, You have never seen a athlete at that size be as good as him. There have been just as big or bigger athletes, but they were all slow and somewhat predictable, Now lesnar is predictable also as in you know he will try a takedown, same with GSP, but they are just so hard to stop.

The only thing that Jones has in terms of "freak of nature" is his reach, all the other stuff are intangibles that dont go into the "freak of nature" category, that is just pure skill.
I agree with this. Bones has crazy reach but the rest of the stuff is skill not "freak of nature" kind of stuff. His timing and speed is good to but not freakish like Anderson Silva's.
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Jon Jones fights flashy, but he's not exactly a freak of nature. His cardio is great and he's coming at you aggressively the whole time. Sooner or later he will face somebody who will have the answer for all the flashy telegraphed backfists and elbows and he will become an even better fighter after that.

Brock first of all is unusually big for any human being. But not only is he big, he has the cardio to back it up. And on top of that, he's incredibly talented. Has anyone ever had a better wrestling record? I think he's 104-5 or something in college wrestling. He's had 5 MMA fights so far and beat 2 at the time top 10 heavyweights and a very solid opponent and back then borderline top 10 heavyweight in Heath Herring. Because of his popularity he's been thrown in the deep end and he didn't drown. That sounds like freak of nature to me.
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Old 06-04-2010, 04:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Brock Lesnar, You have never seen a athlete at that size be as good as him. There have been just as big or bigger athletes, but they were all slow and somewhat predictable, Now lesnar is predictable also as in you know he will try a takedown, same with GSP, but they are just so hard to stop.

The only thing that Jones has in terms of "freak of nature" is his reach, all the other stuff are intangibles that dont go into the "freak of nature" category, that is just pure skill.
Does "all the other stuff" = unmatched brute strength at LHW? With suplex TDS, pick guys off the ground and hold them walk around then do a proper body slam and power to make hybird Judo throws+wrestling takedowns on guys like Vera/Hamill with ease in the clinch. Rampage showed something close to that kind of power, but Bones is doing it with more authority. If he was allowed to power slam guys on their head like the old days i'm sure we would seen that from him.
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Does "all the other stuff" = unmatched brute strength at LHW? With suplex TDS, pick guys off the ground and hold them walk around then do a proper body slam and power to make hybird Judo throws+wrestling takedowns on guys like Vera/Hamill with ease in the clinch. Rampage showed something close to that kind of power, but Bones is doing it with more authority. If he was allowed to power slam guys on their head like the old days i'm sure we would seen that from him.
I am a big Bones fan so I am not trying to take anything away from him, but He hasnt even fought top 10 fighters yet. Lets see how he does against someone with power like Rampage, Or speed like Rashad and maybe the elusiveness of Machida. You are basically crowning him prematurely.

Brock Lesnar has faced the best and will always face the best because he is the champ, Bones still has another 1 year or so before he is considered in the top 5 category.

You talk about unmatched strength... Is vera known or strength or Bonnar? Maybe Hamill? Your points are basically void because like I said above, he hasnt faced the best of the best yet.

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I definitely consider Brock to be more of the "freak of nature." I've seen plenty of tall, athletic dudes. I've never seen a guy who's Brock's size while maintaining his speed and athleticism. Brock truly is taken straight out of a horror film.

Jones is absolutely phenomenal and amazing, but to me he's an athletic young guy who's put in a lot of work to hone his natural talent. You don't just run out there and control guys like he does without the years of wrestling he's put in.
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Brock easily just look at him!

But Jones is kinda similar to Alistar Overeem isn't he? If he struggles in LHW he can always consider a move up to HW.
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I agree with this. Bones has crazy reach but the rest of the stuff is skill not "freak of nature" kind of stuff. His timing and speed is good to but not freakish like Anderson Silva's.
Yeah that's skill, i'm talking athleticism. Lyoto Machida doesn't have KO power, is pretty small, decent strength, certainly above average gifted fighter - he's skilled - not a freak of nature.

Anderson Silva's a gifted athlete, but you think he was born with the ability to do the things he does? You think Jon Jones and can stand there and dodge punches like Anderson Silva - no. That's skill.


I'm talking natural born skill sets. And i'm saying Brock and Bones are the best anomalies of supreme athleticism and power coming in to the sport.
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Yeah that's skill, i'm talking athleticism. Lyoto Machida doesn't have KO power, is pretty small, decent strength, certainly above average gifted fighter - he's skilled - not a freak of nature.

Anderson Silva's a gifted athlete, but you think he was born with the ability to do the things he does? You think Jon Jones and can stand there and dodge punches like Anderson Silva - no. That's skill.


I'm talking natural born skill sets. And i'm saying Brock and Bones are the best anomalies of supreme athleticism and power coming in to the sport.
Lyoto doesn't have KO power? Tell that to Rashad and Thiago Silva. He may not be on the top of the KO charts, but he can definitely lay a dude out.
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