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Old 01-22-2007, 02:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I completely agree with what you're saying but it doesn't really address the question of my thread. I want know if the fans who have been so stubborn and defensive when the talent in the UFC was questioned feel any differently now that it's so obvious that the talent in other organizations is far superior. I just want to hear if they can admit it...I can see having a true passion for MMA and but c'mon, it's silly to be loyal to a league or organization isn't it? Why is it so hard for some people to admit that yeah the fighters in the UFC were good but only B-Level when compared to Pride.

Either way I'm sure we can all agree that it's great that the UFC is finally getting some real talent.

I'm not sure what you mean by it's obvious talent in other orgs are far superior? It's not obvious. The UFC's welterweights are superior in every respect. They have the top 5 welterweights in the world period. I think the lightweights are on par with other orgs especially if you consider the fighters like kit cope and Razor rob who are in the WEC. light heavyweights are very close as well. The heavyweight division and the middleweight division was where the UFC was lacking. But Rich Franklin is an elite fighter no matter what you say. Everyone on the planet but you thinks so. And as much as everyone hates Tim he is also world class along with AA.

Also Wand and Barnett who are a huge part of Pride where originally UFC fighters. So if your considering Crocop and Silva as Pride fighters than Wand and Barnett are UFC fighters.

So the final answer to your question is they are pretty damn even. Especially after the UFC's recent signs.
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:56 PM   #22 (permalink)
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guys who say this, obv have never seen a Pride event and just watch it on youtube...I like the UFC but Pride puts on a great show too
I think Pride puts on great shows too and I thought it was quite a bit better than UFCs back when they had Bas and Quadros but now Im not so sure. Thats why Im not as excited as most to see all these fighters leave Pride for UFC. Yes UFCs getting better but that just means Prides getting worse and that sucks.
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Old 01-22-2007, 08:29 PM   #23 (permalink)
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To be honest, I don't really care which organization fighters are in. I will watch my favourite fighters, or good matchup no matter if they are in Pride or UFC. I will agree that a few months ago Pride's talent pool was far better then the UFC's, however with the addition of Herring, Cro Cop, Rampage, Couture, WEC and more, I expect for the UFC to get closer to Pride. This is the way I see it:

Lightweights: Pride>>>>>UFC
Welterweights: UFC>>>>>Pride
Middleweights: Pride>>UFC
Lightheavyweights: Pride>>UFC
Heavyweights: Pride>>UFC

You have also got to add the fact that major Pride fighters like Gomi and Fedor are planning on fighting elsewhere this year. Also Pride doesn't sign 100% exclusive contracts, so their fighters can appear all over the place. The good thing about the UFC is, unless a fighter is dropped, they will usually only fight in the UFC. I feel that the production value of UFC is far superior to the UFC, however the average Pride event will be way better then the average UFC event. Simply because the fights are better, I am going to have to go with Pride.
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:38 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I want know if the fans who have been so stubborn and defensive when the talent in the UFC was questioned feel any differently now that it's so obvious that the talent in other organizations is far superior. I just want to hear if they can admit it...
Nope, not trolling.

You don't want to hear their opinions, you just want to hear something along the lines of "you were right, I was wrong."

You're like an 8 year old child stomping his feet and holding his breath.

These kinds of threads always get me. You start with the holier-than-thou attitude and end up playing on the same mud-slinging level as the people you so boldly taunt.

Get over yourself. Please.
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Old 01-22-2007, 09:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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That's nonsense...if my intention had been to stir up emotions I could have expressed myself in a far more confrontational manner. I have just had so many "debates" over the past few months with so many "experts" who were so convinced that they are the all seeing oracle when it comes to MMA...they new that Hughes was going to easily submit GSP! That Franklin was going to knock out Silva! They were willing to meet me and beat me up for even suggesting that Ortiz wasn't going to destroy Liddell! And god forbid if me or anyone else were to imply that the talent in Pride was superior, oh my, all freakin hell would break loose.

Well you know what? You were wrong. You dont know F-ALL about MMA...until recently the UFC has had such mediocre talent that the guys at the top have been fighting complete bums. And that's why they dont deserve any respect out side of the glitz and bright lights of the UFC circus. And yeah, I absolutely love rubbing it in some of your faces when you get it so wrong. I love exposing you for the loud mouth, know nothing, blowhards that you are
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:48 PM   #26 (permalink)
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That's nonsense...if my intention had been to stir up emotions I could have expressed myself in a far more confrontational manner. I have just had so many "debates" over the past few months with so many "experts" who were so convinced that they are the all seeing oracle when it comes to MMA...they new that Hughes was going to easily submit GSP! That Franklin was going to knock out Silva! They were willing to meet me and beat me up for even suggesting that Ortiz wasn't going to destroy Liddell! And god forbid if me or anyone else were to imply that the talent in Pride was superior, oh my, all freakin hell would break loose.

Well you know what? You were wrong. You dont know F-ALL about MMA...until recently the UFC has had such mediocre talent that the guys at the top have been fighting complete bums. And that's why they dont deserve any respect out side of the glitz and bright lights of the UFC circus. And yeah, I absolutely love rubbing it in some of your faces when you get it so wrong. I love exposing you for the loud mouth, know nothing, blowhards that you are
You over excagerate evrything. Practically every regular member on this forum said GSP would own Hughes, nearly everyone said Silva had a huge shot at Rich but grant it most still thought Rich would win, and almost everyone thought for sure Chuck would kill Tito. There were a few people who were hopefull Tito would win and thought hed win but no respectable called you stupid for saying Chuck would win.

This is why you rub people the wrong way so much. You over excaggerate. Instead of saying Titos not that good you say hes comepletly useless, instead of saying Rich is decent you say he sucks, instead of saying Hughes isnt great you say hes a chump. Its comments like these that get arguements started.

You act like your this all knowing god of all mma knowledge. Arent you the one that said Bisping would destroy anyone in the UFC LHW division and we were stupid for disagreeing and that we're stupid for judging him on purely the fights we've seen. When it turns out Bisping had trouble with Schaeffer whoese no good and showd many holes in his game.

You see your not always right your wrong just as much as anyone else. The only thing youve predicted that practically everyone didnt predict was Anderson over Rich.
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Old 01-23-2007, 12:55 AM   #27 (permalink)
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i guess you can't have a conversation like this without it turning ugly at some point. Some people can't help but interpret a question like "How do you UFC fans feel......" as a "which org is better" thread. And then there's always the "Hey man I just love MMA" crowd (God bless 'em). The problem is not everyone sees these fighters as "Pride Fighters" even though they've spent most of they're career there.
I think the original question is valid though because there are some super, gung-ho, die hard fans of the UFC who express extreme negativity towards Pride. All I can say is i think it would speak for itself if a lot of the belts were siezed by fighters who have spent the majority of their career fighting in Pride. We're just going to have to wait & see but it is going to be a blast to watch......
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Old 01-23-2007, 01:29 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I think the original question is valid though because there are some super, gung-ho, die hard fans of the UFC who express extreme negativity towards Pride. All I can say is i think it would speak for itself if a lot of the belts were siezed by fighters who have spent the majority of their career fighting in Pride. We're just going to have to wait & see but it is going to be a blast to watch......
I agree with you in insofar as there are UFC fans here who are hard on PRIDE, but the majority of posts I've read seem to fly in the opposite direction - PRIDE diehards who turn their noses up at the UFC. Frankly, this smells like elitism to me - as in, "if you don't prefer PRIDE, it's because you don't know any better." Kinda like saying, "if you don't think James Joyce is the greatest novelist in the English language, it's because you didn't understand Ulysses."

I'm not posting this to start a flame, just trying to point out that you can like the UFC without being a rube. I like the UFC, and probably know more about MMA then your average fan, both by watching MMA from many different organizations and researching it. But I like the UFC primarily because my favourite fighters are a part of it.

I can understand why you'd get hung up on associations in pro wrestling - remember the good old WWE vs. WCW vs. ECW days? But MMA is such a personal sport, it seems better to take interest in fighters themselves over their promotions. If Georges St. Pierre left the UFC, I'd probably still watch it, but you can be damn sure I'd be following Rush to PRIDE, King of the Cage, TKO, Cage Rage, or whereever he ended up.

In reference to the the last part of the quote - do you believe that the promotion makes fighters better? Is a fighter more accomplished for having fought in PRIDE, as opposed to UFC? It seems inaccurate to credit the promotion with the success of a fighter - it would be more accurate to credit the quality of a fighter's opponents then the promotion itself.
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Old 01-23-2007, 03:35 AM   #29 (permalink)
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there not pride fighters anyomre, they belong to the UFC. Pride is full of hasbins.
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Old 01-23-2007, 04:34 AM   #30 (permalink)
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this is a pointless topic
there is no universal ranking organization which forces top fighters to fight for a title.
were still trying to get past the private business ventures of companies who have good fighters era. there has been no all out tourney so u cant say whos best.
fedor is the best hw hands down (and hes still beatable)...but other then that...who can say
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