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Old 01-22-2007, 06:51 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Forrest was the first guy with any talent that Jardine has ever beaten. He doesnt deserve a title shot. Rashad beat Jardine and is undefeated. If anyone gets a title shot it should be him. You got other guys from TUF who have been alot more impressive than Jardine and havent got title shots(Diego,Swick,Kos,Rashad, Joe Daddy). One win against a b level fighter doesnt earn you a shot at the belt. Not even close. Maybe if he beats 2 more guys. Like Tito or Babalu, than he has to beat Rashad. Since Rashad already whooped him. Than if he does all that, maybe he deserves a title shot.
I agree with you 100%. If I were in charge I would give the title shot to Rashad, personally. I just think that the criticism should be directed somewhere besides Jardine. All the guy did was get an impressive win, its not his fault he was set up as a stepping stone so the lovable Forrest Griffin could get in a few punches before facing Chuck for the belt.

Well....that's not how it went. Now Jardine is being mentioned as a candidate for the shot (since he brutalized someone who would probably have gotten a fair shake on this forum had he won and gone on to face Chuck). People have been nothing but hateful towards Jardine. Check out an interview, he couldn't be a nicer guy.
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As for the UFC not having any depth at LHW. That is not correct, but it is true that the fighters they have can't beat Chuck. You and the millions of other fans see that no one in the UFC other then maybe rampage can beat chuck. But Holy shit, what about the LW WW MW divisions? MW may not have much depth but there are exciting fighters same can be said for the LHW division. UFC is adding people left and right, its great! I swear its like giving a 5 year old a red bike and watching them cry coz they wanted a blue one.......

No one can beat Chuck. You cannot derive from that:

1. UFC has no depth
2. Jardine is a can
3. All the other negative bullshit

I personally couldn't be happier with the product although I wish they would let me book some of the fights
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Old 01-22-2007, 06:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I agree with you 100%. If I were in charge I would give the title shot to Rashad, personally. I just think that the criticism should be directed somewhere besides Jardine. All the guy did was get an impressive win, its not his fault he was set up as a stepping stone so the lovable Forrest Griffin could get in a few punches before facing Chuck for the belt.

Well....that's not how it went. Now Jardine is being mentioned as a candidate for the shot (since he brutalized someone who would probably have gotten a fair shake on this forum had he won and gone on to face Chuck). People have been nothing but hateful towards Jardine. Check out an interview, he couldn't be a nicer guy.
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As for the UFC not having any depth at LHW. That is not correct, but it is true that the fighters they have can't beat Chuck. You and the millions of other fans see that no one in the UFC other then maybe rampage can beat chuck. But Holy shit, what about the LW WW MW divisions? MW may not have much depth but there are exciting fighters same can be said for the LHW division. UFC is adding people left and right, its great! I swear its like giving a 5 year old a red bike and watching them cry coz they wanted a blue one.......

No one can beat Chuck. You cannot derive from that:

1. UFC has no depth
2. Jardine is a can
3. All the other negative bullshit

I personally couldn't be happier with the product although I wish they would let me book some of the fights
dont start taking your period out on us.god dam shame on people at a forum having an opinion
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Old 01-22-2007, 07:01 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I agree with you 100%. If I were in charge I would give the title shot to Rashad, personally. I just think that the criticism should be directed somewhere besides Jardine. All the guy did was get an impressive win, its not his fault he was set up as a stepping stone so the lovable Forrest Griffin could get in a few punches before facing Chuck for the belt.

Well....that's not how it went. Now Jardine is being mentioned as a candidate for the shot (since he brutalized someone who would probably have gotten a fair shake on this forum had he won and gone on to face Chuck). People have been nothing but hateful towards Jardine. Check out an interview, he couldn't be a nicer guy.
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As for the UFC not having any depth at LHW. That is not correct, but it is true that the fighters they have can't beat Chuck. You and the millions of other fans see that no one in the UFC other then maybe rampage can beat chuck. But Holy shit, what about the LW WW MW divisions? MW may not have much depth but there are exciting fighters same can be said for the LHW division. UFC is adding people left and right, its great! I swear its like giving a 5 year old a red bike and watching them cry coz they wanted a blue one.......

No one can beat Chuck. You cannot derive from that:

1. UFC has no depth
2. Jardine is a can
3. All the other negative bullshit

I personally couldn't be happier with the product although I wish they would let me book some of the fights
Kudos to you, that is one of the best well written responses I've seen on this forum in a very long time, you made good points and did it without tearing down someone else's opinion. btw I agree with most of what you said.
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As for the UFC not having any depth at LHW. That is not correct, but it is true that the fighters they have can't beat Chuck. You and the millions of other fans see that no one in the UFC other then maybe rampage can beat chuck. But Holy shit, what about the LW WW MW divisions? MW may not have much depth but there are exciting fighters same can be said for the LHW division. UFC is adding people left and right, its great! I swear its like giving a 5 year old a red bike and watching them cry coz they wanted a blue one.......

No one can beat Chuck. You cannot derive from that:

1. UFC has no depth
2. Jardine is a can
3. All the other negative bullshit

I personally couldn't be happier with the product although I wish they would let me book some of the fights
i dont wanna seem like a nuthugger but in comparison to pride ufc has no depth at this point(other than in WW)let me break it down for you

UFC lightweights: joe steveson, melvin guillard, sean sherk, jens pulver, franca, fisher

Pride Lightweight: Melendez, Shinya, Gomi, Kawajira, Sakurai, nick diaz, hellboy hansen, ishida

UFC Middleweight: Franklin, Silva, Swick, Lutter thats about it sounds kinda sad i know

Pride Welterweight(same as ufc middleweight): Chonan, Hendo, ninja, filho, kang, misaki

UFC LHW: Chuck, tito, babalu, jardine, Rashad

Pride middleweight(same as ufc LHW): shogun, wanderlei, arona, overeem, lil nog

im not even going to go into HWs

do you get what im saying?? at least at every weight class there is possible trouble for the champ other than fedor. whos going to take anderson or cro cop or chuck????
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ur response was well thought out and not destuctive wich is refreshing and u deserve to be repped
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Jardine is a can. Man I hate this guy. He is my least favorite fighter and doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Chuck. I would rather see Chuck fight anyone but this FRAUD!!
Wow that is a totally unjust statement, esp coming from a mod. How the hell is Jardine a can? Aside from a disputable loss to Stephan Bonnar(which I personally think he won) he hasn't lost since 2002, and that was only his third fight. He has an impressive 12-2 record. If he wasn't robbed in his fight with Bonnar, his record would be 5-0 in the UFC. He just rocked the UFC posterboys shit. I think he is anything but a can!

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Forrest was the first guy with any talent that Jardine has ever beaten. He doesnt deserve a title shot. Rashad beat Jardine and is undefeated. If anyone gets a title shot it should be him. You got other guys from TUF who have been alot more impressive than Jardine and havent got title shots(Diego,Swick,Kos,Rashad, Joe Daddy). One win against a b level fighter doesnt earn you a shot at the belt. Not even close. Maybe if he beats 2 more guys. Like Tito or Babalu, than he has to beat Rashad. Since Rashad already whooped him. Than if he does all that, maybe he deserves a title shot.
I agree, Rashad deserves the title shot more then Jardine. But saying he should have to fight both Tito and Babalu to get a shot is crazy! And I thought you would know that he wouldn't fight Rashad because they are training partners. Come on man. I say one or two more fights then give him the title shot in late 07, early 08. The UFC wants as many contendars as possible, at that isn't going to happen if they put their contendars in like 6 fights before even questioning a title shot. I say that Jardine is next in-line after Rampage and Rashad.

As far as Jardine winning against Liddell. There is no chance. The only reason I am sticking up for Jardine is because I want to see more then Tito/Chuck 3 and Babalu/Chuck 3.

As far as comparing Jardine's title shot to Josh Koscheck, Joe Stevenson, Diego Sanchez and Mike Swick, there is no relievence. What is the point of comparing the contentian status of fighters in different weight classes? Even though there is no relivience I will break it down anyways. Koscheck didn't get a shot as of yet because there were too many more worthy contenders infront of him and his loss to Fickett. If he keeps winning he will be inline soon. Swick was supposed to be the next to fight Franklin, but after Silva destroyed Ace, the UFC postponed Swick's title shot, because they know he would get killed. Joe didn't get a title shot yet because he lost to Neer and Sanchez is next inline for the WW Championship after Serra. I think that covers them all.


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......wat was that all about
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It was a response to something earlier in the thread that I edited off because the dude came back on and was respectful. Bad timing. I saw the shitty comment, posted that, then saw the respectful one and decided to take off my asshole comment. Was not directed at you.

But this is:
Pride has the best fighters, I know. I watch PRIDE and UFC but honestly not as much as before I began reading this forum. I just think that the UFC has good fights too and whats more is they are improving, rapidly. I can get just as excited for Diego v. GSP or A. Silva v. whoever etc. as I can for Gomi v. Melendez(I hope).

UFC may not have the talent PRIDE has but they are alot closer then they were in early 2006. That should tell everybody something.
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I wan't to see Rashad get a title shot, just to watch Chuck knock him out.

As for Griffin, if he stopped worrying about scrapping with his opponents and actually went in for the win instead of a brawl he could definately put some wins away. He hardly ever shoots for a takedown and he's got a very solid ground game, if he mixed things up a bit I think he could be a #1 contender.

He's got K.O. power but he's got some of the sloppiest punches i've ever seen, he ducks his head and flails his arms. If he mixed his game up with some shoots, leg kicks he could get that KO he's always searching for.
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