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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-24-2007, 09:55 PM Thread Starter
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The death of grappling...

If you look at everyones "Favorite Fighter" lists the number of grapplers there are pretty low. Is it ultimately the fans who are causing the death of grappling? Basically the rules were changed so that we didn't have to watch guys spooning each other for 15 minutes because it was boring for spectators who couldn't appreciate the nuances of skilled ground fighting...so is it getting worse now that the sport is becoming more popular which increases the numbers of fans who know nothing about MMA and just want to see a brawl?


Do you think it's good or bad if grappling goes the way of the dinosaur? Do you find it boring? DO you wish it was more prevalent like the old days? Do you think it's no different and I dont know what the hell I'm talking about?




























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simply... MMA without grappling/BJJ is boxing... and i've never gave two shits about boxing since it's worthless and does nothing to prove a "figher's" worth.

if there is every a consistant length of time where i don't see grappling in either the UFC, or MMA in general, i'll wash my hands of it. no second thoughts!

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If you look at everyones "Favorite Fighter" lists the number of grapplers there are pretty low. Is it ultimately the fans who are causing the death of grappling? Basically the rules were changed so that we didn't have to watch guys spooning each other for 15 minutes because it was boring for spectators who couldn't appreciate the nuances of skilled ground fighting...so is it getting worse now that the sport is becoming more popular which increases the numbers of fans who know nothing about MMA and just want to see a brawl?


Do you think it's good or bad if grappling goes the way of the dinosaur? Do you find it boring? DO you wish it was more prevalent like the old days? Do you think it's no different and I dont know what the hell I'm talking about?
ya i also notice the time they allow for ground fighting slowly being lowered and personally the amount of time they allow fighters to utilize thier ground game before standing them up is still fairly good at this point but as the sport goes more and more mainstream ground game will be less and less just beacuse of the simple fact that the typical fan cant appeciate ground work i dont think it will ever get to the point where they basicly forget about it but i see over time the sport slowly losing its roots which was heavily associated with BJJ personally i dont mind it as long as there is continous action not guys laying on one another to stall time and win by the judges COUGH KOSCHECK COUGH

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I notice it most at live events...there are all these people who seem like serious fans, they know the all the fighters, they speak the language, etc...next thing I know they're booing the minute it goes to the ground.

WTF?

Maybe I'm just too old school? Maybe I'm like that annoying uncle who always blathers on about how much better everything used to be? Maybe MMA is just evolving and I'm not "with it".
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People just want to see fighters knock each other out, plain and simple. Alot of the new fans don't appreciate the ground game because half the time it's boring. The fans appreciate the fights like BJ vs Hughes or Sanchez vs Parysian, because there is intense action all the time.

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Saying boxing is worthless is kind of a stupid thing to say. Sorry, but it is. I mean jesus christ man, are you a fuking idiot or just retarted? It seems like you enjoy grappling just a little too much.
You're misunderstanding his point. He's not saying boxing is "worthless" nescacirily, but when put in perspective of how good of a FIGHTER someone is, a pure boxing match is worthless to show their true overall talent as a fighter.




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Saying boxing is worthless is kind of a stupid thing to say. Sorry, but it is. I mean jesus christ man, are you a fuking idiot or just retarted? It seems like you enjoy grappling just a little too much.
Why is that so stupid?

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First time ever I have kinda agreed with Bungle. Most of his posts are ignorant, jealous, American hating crap. But he is a little right here. Except If guys are busy on the ground they don't get stood up. Did you hear any boo's When BJ and Hughes hit the mat? No because they where getting after it. Some people don't know what they are talking about and do Boo when it hits the ground and they are stupid. But When guys are active like Sanchez or Karo or Fedor or Hughes or Penn etc. People still love it.
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I think mostaverage fans who have never competed or even studided MA in any shape or form can truly appreicate GRappling in its style.. look at the early GRacie fights in the UFC.. I hear people say it was boring ass stuff.. and I can understand thier prespective. But as a grappler myself and someone with many years of MA experience I can watch those old fights and I am sitting on the edge of my seat. And as a fan of action I enjoy a good slug fest... I do not think grappling is going to go away ever I just think that when people go to the ground your going to see a new type of grappler emerge where they are going to attempt more holds and subbmissions and such.. the ground game will speed up and it will be the fighters who make it happen. I think hte general fan will enjoy watching grappling that is involving movement as opposed to the times when it looks like the teo guys are just laying there cuddling.. I equate that more to like watchng a Chess match against two masters. it goes slow for a reason.. one mistake and you know your going to be in a world of pain so both people keep things slow and test each others defenses.

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First time ever I have kinda agreed with Bungle...he is a little right here...

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