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post #61 of 115 (permalink) Old 08-04-2010, 05:54 AM
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Well I think Chael is speaking from more of a karma perspective here (as Lance took drugs before etc.) ... still though, cancer is cancer and shouldn't spoken of in this manner.

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post #62 of 115 (permalink) Old 08-04-2010, 07:24 AM
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now thats just straight ****ed up
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Chael is correct. just like liddell gave himself "arlovski chin" syndrome

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post #64 of 115 (permalink) Old 08-04-2010, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Liddellianenko View Post
What Sonnen says is highly douchy and insensitive, but IMO it's somewhat true. It's just that we're groomed to be so politically correct that people like Lance or Michael J. Fox are untouchable because they support chemical "cures" for their diseases that in their case were probably acquired through reckless lifestyle choices.

Cancer, Parkinson's etc. are all lifestyle diseases that hardly existed 50 years ago but are rampant now, they are caused by pumping the body full of artificial chemicals (carcinogens and toxins) that toy with it's natural control mechanisms and were never meant to be in the body, all in the name of "science" and short term gain whether it's physical enhancement or recreational pleasure. Metaphorically speaking, Cancer is nothing more than cells in the body going rogue after being subjected to more and more horrible shit than they are willing to take.

This is not a shot at everyone who has Cancer or Parkinson's or any modern degenerative disease ... unfortunately we live in an age where carcinogens and toxins are everywhere, in food pesticides, fertilizers, artificial food colors and additives like aspertame, GM food, air pollution, pharma, water supply (through "treated" industrial pollutants), toxic chemical dies on clothes, radiation, X-Rays and so on in addition to lifestyle choices like heavily chemicalized cigarettes, lack of anti-carcinogenic fresh fruits and veggies etc in diet and so on. It's not always people's fault that they get these diseases in such an environment where it's near impossible to avoid such things completely, but our choices often have more to do with it than we like to admit, specially if it is at a young age.

So Lance probably did give himself Cancer from the steroids he did on top of the general exposure that we all have... just look at his wiki page, it's one long list of steroid scandals and accusations after another, many only shut out because the witnesses mysteriously bailed out (bribed) in court after their solid testimonies outside it. That combined with the fact that he broke all possible records beyond normal human ability that have stayed untouched for decades. It's not 100% proven, but it is likely. Same way Fox's alcoholism along with Hollywood's usual drugged out lifestyle may have had something to do with him getting Parkinson's.

And yes, Steroids can give you Cancer, due in part to the massive testosterone/estrogen imbalances they cause and also since steroids cause abnormal uncontrolled growth of cells, which is exactly what cancer is ... when uncontrolled cell growth goes bad.

In the same way, Parkinson's is a degenerative brain disease caused by neuron destroying chemicals and lifestyles like chronic alcoholism, massive doses of chemical brain altering drugs and psychedelics and so on in addition to the general toxicity of the world we live in.

Making yourself a Messiah and promoting "cures" for these toxic diseases with even more toxic medicine systems in not the answer IMO. Chemotherapy is nothing but big business making money from the poor victims of these diseases, poisoning the system further and reducing patients to helpless, tortured souls that have a survival rate of 33%, no higher than that without chemo.

So really, IMO people don't really survive cancer because of Chemo but in spite of it. I know someone who had Cancer and refused all these treatments, and just made lifestyle changes like a lot of fresh green veggies, no artificial diet, no chemical "meds" and so on and not only survived but is still alive more than a decade later. I'm not saying it always works, but the survival rate is just as high as chemo's meager 33%. I also have lots of grandparents and aunts who I watched suffer through almost a year of Chemo torture with everyone telling them how "brave" and "inspirational" they were being only to end up dead as any untreated person, except with a horrendously torturous last year of their lives that is still traumatizing for us to recall.

I no longer think "Cancer Cure" foundations are anything more than big pharma ploys. The very people encouraging chemical dependencies are telling you they're working on miracle "cures" .. just pop a magic pill and it's over. IMO The real world doesn't work like that, every disease has a lifestyle cause ... like poor hygiene, improper/processed/artificial diet, lack of exercise, stress etc. .. and "cures" involve making good life choices more than billion dollar donations to magic companies that'll make it all go away.

Still a douchy, insensitive thing for Sonnen to say, but just saying ... IMHO it's not all black and white.
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post #65 of 115 (permalink) Old 08-04-2010, 10:55 AM
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I like Chael.
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post #66 of 115 (permalink) Old 08-04-2010, 11:02 AM
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I hope Anderson Silva's knee comes out the back of Sonnen's skull.

In five years, someone will say "Chael has to admit he screwed up...he talked trash and talked trash and then stepped into the cage with a pissed off Anderson Silva...he gave HIMSELF that massive brain damage....OWN IT, dude."

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post #67 of 115 (permalink) Old 08-04-2010, 11:05 AM
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Whether or not Lance ever doped or not how in the hell does Chael know this for a fact? Is he a expert or blood doping, the tests Lance has taken and passed or supposedly failed that haven't been backed up yet, does he have secret inside information from the Tour De France and their testing policies that he can cite without a shred of doubt or is just talking out of his ass and expressing his opinion on facts he has no grounds to speak about?

The fact is he is talking out of his ass and just expressing his opinion not fact- that's bullshit IMO. If he has any proof then reveal it instead of just spouting off crap that he has no business acting like he knows it all.

There may be a day when Lance is proved to have cheated but it sure as hell won't come from the "expert" opinion of a jackass MMA fighter who is just trying to hype himself and opinions while acting like he knows it all.

I haven't have a problem with Chael while promoting this fight as it's worked and it's been pretty funny but talking out of your ass on subjects you don't know the true facts on is bullshit.

Chael needs to stick to what he knows and this latest crap is complete bullshit to act like an authority on a subject he is as qualified to talk about as you and me.
In a sport where people are winning who were dopped before and got suspended for two years, i strongly believe a 6-7? times champion like Armstrong is not legit.
I would bet any amount of money in the world that he is and was doped. I would even go so far, that it is hard to find people who are not doped at the tour de france. Maybe last place or sth
They should accept that the times of them are just to good to be true. Let them dope as they allready do it anyway, its their health, so why even bother to stop it. They should really learn it the hard way.

As for Sonnen, ofc this is not a nice thing to say, but he pointed out the obvious.
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post #68 of 115 (permalink) Old 08-04-2010, 11:36 AM
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Lance Armstrong did not get cancer due to PED, he probably used them AFTER he got and recovered from cancer. It has never been proven that he used PED.

However, his major results and all 7 Tour de France victories came AFTER he got cancer. SO he is not a victim of his own habits.
On the contrary, he not only survived cancer, but proceded to make the greatest comeback in cycling, winning the toughest race a record holding 7 times.

Chael does not know what he is talking about.

Fun trivia: In danish "kamp" means "match" or "fight". So Martin Kampmann really lives up to his name.
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Interesting Stuff!

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post #70 of 115 (permalink) Old 08-05-2010, 08:12 AM
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Thanks for the vid, for some reason my laziness precluded me for finding that myself on youtube, haha. Love it.

It's hard to get a read on the guy. Never said anything of Lance Armstrong? So this thread we have here that's currently 7 pages long is for nothing? Ah Chael. You're telling the truth when you're lying and lying when you tell the truth.

Saturday will be fun. I'm still predicting a Round 1 KO for AS though.

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