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post #11 of 46 (permalink) Old 01-26-2007, 11:31 AM
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He has nothing to prove? What? Of course he has tons to prove. So far all he has proven is that currently he is the best in the UFC.

In Pride Chucks record is 2-1.

Best fighter Chuck has faced yet? Randy 3 times. Chuck was 2-1 vs Randy.

Chuck vs Jeremy Horn is 1-1

Chuck vs Rampage is 0-1

Chuck has beaten other "good" fighters but other than the ones listed above has not faced any "great" fighters. Chuck's record vs these great fighters is 3-3.

Some of the "good" but not "great" fighters he has faced is:

Jeff Monson

Sobral

Guy Mezger

Overeem

Tito

Kevin Randlemen

As you can see Chuck vs the "great" fighters has a 3-3 record, Chuck vs the "good" fighters has been 7-0, Chuck vs "average" fighters has been 10-0. I person could argue to juggle the names on my lists a little but the point is still valid.

So to finish Chuck is a very very good fighter, but still with lots to prove vs the "great" fighters. There is still many fighters out there that are "great" that Chuck has not faced. Chuck is the best LHW currently in UFC, but not in the world.

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Silva and GSP would be a better match than Silva vs Liddell. Also, I don't think were gonna see GSP moving up to LHW anytime soon but I geuss I could be wrong




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Silva and GSP would be a better match than Silva vs Liddell. Also, I don't think were gonna see GSP moving up to LHW anytime soon but I geuss I could be wrong
GSP will not move up. Why would he. He is the Champ right where he is. 170lbs fits him perfectly.

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He has nothing to prove? What? Of course he has tons to prove. So far all he has proven is that currently he is the best in the UFC.

In Pride Chucks record is 2-1.

Best fighter Chuck has faced yet? Randy 3 times. Chuck was 2-1 vs Randy.

Chuck vs Jeremy Horn is 1-1

Chuck vs Rampage is 0-1

Chuck has beaten other "good" fighters but other than the ones listed above has not faced any "great" fighters. Chuck's record vs these great fighters is 3-3.

Some of the "good" but not "great" fighters he has faced is:

Jeff Monson

Sobral

Guy Mezger

Overeem

Tito

Kevin Randlemen

As you can see Chuck vs the "great" fighters has a 3-3 record, Chuck vs the "good" fighters has been 7-0, Chuck vs "average" fighters has been 10-0. I person could argue to juggle the names on my lists a little but the point is still valid.

So to finish Chuck is a very very good fighter, but still with lots to prove vs the "great" fighters. There is still many fighters out there that are "great" that Chuck has not faced. Chuck is the best LHW currently in UFC, but not in the world.
Lol you're referring to Kevin Randlemen and Sobral as "good" but not "great" fighters? I think that's a bad judgement call, and Randy Couture is not the best fighter Liddell has faced. And since you probably don't know this, Randlemen knocked out Cro Cop




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Lol you're referring to Kevin Randlemen and Sobral as "good" but not "great" fighters? I think that's a bad judgement call, and Randy Couture is not the best fighter Liddell has faced. And since you probably don't know this, Randlemen knocked out Cro Cop
I am well aware of that fact thank you. Like I said the list will be slightly different depending on who you talk to. The fact that one fighter beats a great fighter once does not make him a great fighter also. When James "Buster" Douglas beat Mike Tyson does that mean Buster is now a great fighter? Does that make Buster one of the best boxers of all time? Mike was 37-0 in his boxing career when he entered that fight. As you well know the answer is no.

Who would you consider better than Randy, that Chuck has beat?

Sobral? I would say no.

Kevin? I would say close. After his win (1:57 in the first round) over Cro Cop in 4/25/2004, Cro Cop and him fought again and Cro Cop used a guillotine choke on him and avenged his lost, on 12/31/2004. It ended 41 secs into the first round.

Anyone else?

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Chuck is the best LHW currently in UFC, but not in the world.
Perhaps you could favour us with who you believe to be the best LHW in the world, instead of just making a statement like that? Unless we're just supposed to assume it's Wenderlei Silva - who could have fought Lidell had Silva not allowed Filipovic to scramble his brains.

If you could wave a magic wand and make Georges St. Pierre the same size as Lidell, it would be a fantastic fight. Rush is such a technically skilled and adaptable fighter he would present a real challenge to Lidell. But that won't happen - two weight classes is too much.

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Lol you're referring to Kevin Randlemen and Sobral as "good" but not "great" fighters? I think that's a bad judgement call, and Randy Couture is not the best fighter Liddell has faced. And since you probably don't know this, Randlemen knocked out Cro Cop
This has to be a joke saying Randleman is great because he knocked out cro cop. And since you probably don't know this, he has a better chance at winning the lottery than ever knocking out cro cop again.
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he's a fighter guys...he has plenty to prove. he's gotta keep winning. he still has to beat rampage.

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This has to be a joke saying Randleman is great because he knocked out cro cop. And since you probably don't know this, he has a better chance at winning the lottery than ever knocking out cro cop again.
Kevin is a good fighter IMO, just not "great" or Hall of Fame type fighter. When I answered his post, I said to him also, one win does not make a great fighter.

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Lol you're referring to Kevin Randlemen and Sobral as "good" but not "great" fighters? I think that's a bad judgement call, and Randy Couture is not the best fighter Liddell has faced. And since you probably don't know this, Randlemen knocked out Cro Cop
Randleman knocked out cro cop...how many times have we heard this before. that doesn't make him one of the great fighters. it means he had a really good night.

and i'd like anyone to say who chuck has fought and beat that is better than Randy.

any takers?

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