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post #1 of 49 (permalink) Old 01-27-2007, 04:09 PM Thread Starter
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"Sugar" Rashad Evans - Disrespect to the title of Sugar

I'm not sure if many of you guys are boxers or boxing fans, but the title of "Sugar" is highly rated. The title of "Sugar" is given if the boxer has exceptional footwork and blinding hand speed. There are currently three great boxers that have this title: Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard and Shane Mosley. All three of these fighters have accomplish many great feats and stood on the world stage many times.

Ray Robinson's feat: World welterweight champion, 91 win streak, Total fights 202 Wins 175 Wins by KO 108 Losses 19 Draws 6 No contests 2

Ray Charles Leonardís feat: World welterweight champion, Total fights 40 Wins 36 Wins by KO 25 Losses 3 Draws 1 No contests 0

Shane Mosley's feats: former Lightweight, Welterweight and Jr. Middleweight Champion of the World, Total fights 48 Wins 43 Wins by KO 37 Losses 4 Draws 0 No contests 1

Even a great boxer like Roy Jones Jr. was not given the title of sugar, although he was an undisputed champ in many different weight divisions for a decade. His blazing hand speed was compared to the ďSugarsĒ, however, many debated that he remained unworthy of such a great title Ė thus never given it.

Now that I have given some information about the title of sugar, I would like to just say that Rashad Evans should not be given this title.

Reasons being:

1. This nick name belongs to boxing not MMA.
2. He doesnít have neither the hand speed or footwork to be considered a sugar
3. The name after sugar is suppose to be one syllable not two (Ras-had)

Many people probably think that Iím getting too carried away, but for those people that were initially bigger boxing fans than MMA fans, probably feel the same as I do. Donít get me wrong people, I think Rashad is a good fighter. But Iím afraid that he will soil the legacy of Sugars.
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post #2 of 49 (permalink) Old 01-27-2007, 04:13 PM
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I'm with ya man he doesent deserve the nickname. But I bet if he got in a cage with any previous sugar he would whip their ass. but if Rashad keeps getting better he will for sure earn that nickname. He has continually looked each fight. I like him. And you are a little to upset about it.
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i dont think he will soil the legacy of the sugars simply in that we wont remember him as one. not alot of people think he deserves the nickname or they just think its a stupid one. so it wont tarnish the other sugars.

but i do agree with you that the criteria laid out for a sugar doesnt fit evans.

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Couldnt have said it better myself although i feel roy jones was pound for pound the best in his prime. Rep Up
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I'm not sure if many of you guys are boxers or boxing fans, but the title of "Sugar" is highly rated. The title of "Sugar" is given if the boxer has exceptional footwork and blinding hand speed. There are currently three great boxers that have this title: Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard and Shane Mosley. All three of these fighters have accomplish many great feats and stood on the world stage many times.

Ray Robinson's feat: World welterweight champion, 91 win streak, Total fights 202 Wins 175 Wins by KO 108 Losses 19 Draws 6 No contests 2

Ray Charles Leonardís feat: World welterweight champion, Total fights 40 Wins 36 Wins by KO 25 Losses 3 Draws 1 No contests 0

Shane Mosley's feats: former Lightweight, Welterweight and Jr. Middleweight Champion of the World, Total fights 48 Wins 43 Wins by KO 37 Losses 4 Draws 0 No contests 1

Even a great boxer like Roy Jones Jr. was not given the title of sugar, although he was an undisputed champ in many different weight divisions for a decade. His blazing hand speed was compared to the ďSugarsĒ, however, many debated that he remained unworthy of such a great title Ė thus never given it.

Now that I have given some information about the title of sugar, I would like to just say that Rashad Evans should not be given this title.

Reasons being:

1. This nick name belongs to boxing not MMA.
2. He doesnít have neither the hand speed or footwork to be considered a sugar
3. The name after sugar is suppose to be one syllable not two (Ras-had)

Many people probably think that Iím getting too carried away, but for those people that were initially bigger boxing fans than MMA fans, probably feel the same as I do. Donít get me wrong people, I think Rashad is a good fighter. But Iím afraid that he will soil the legacy of Sugars.
I think your going a bit over the top mate.

Give the guy a bit of slack, learn how to chill out and be at ease with yourself!
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I'm with ya man he doesent deserve the nickname. But I bet if he got in a cage with any previous sugar he would whip their ass. but if Rashad keeps getting better he will for sure earn that nickname. He has continually looked each fight. I like him. And you are a little to upset about it.
Sure, and if Rashad Evans got into a boxing ring with any of the "Sugars" they'd beat him senseless.

MMA fans seem to believe boxers are incapable of competing because they have no ground fighting skills - yet kickboxers are okay because they can work a clinch. Let me set some of you guys straight - pro boxers punch harder, faster and defend strikes better then anyone currently fighting in MMA - and I'm not talking about the elite boxers listed above exclusively. There isn't a single MMA fighter that could stand and swing with a pro boxer - because punching is what boxers do - it's all they do.

Given the number of MMA fighters that are defined as "strikers," you'd think there'd be more boxers in MMA - but you can make a packet of money in pro boxing, so I guess its no wonder many of them stay where they are.

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Sure, and if Rashad Evans got into a boxing ring with any of the "Sugars" they'd beat him senseless.

MMA fans seem to believe boxers are incapable of competing because they have no ground fighting skills - yet kickboxers are okay because they can work a clinch. Let me set some of you guys straight - pro boxers punch harder, faster and defend strikes better then anyone currently fighting in MMA - and I'm not talking about the elite boxers listed above exclusively. There isn't a single MMA fighter that could stand and swing with a pro boxer - because punching is what boxers do - it's all they do.

Given the number of MMA fighters that are defined as "strikers," you'd think there'd be more boxers in MMA - but you can make a packet of money in pro boxing, so I guess its no wonder many of them stay where they are.
Your wrong about a few things here.

Boxers don't know how to work a clinch. an MMA clinch and Boxing or kickboxing clinch are totaly differnt things.

Boxers also can't defend better than MMA fighters. Boxers have big ass 16 ounce gloves that cover way more of their face. And absorbs a huge amount of impact. MMA gloves obviously don't do that. Boxers can get hit way more and not get knocked out because of the reduction in power that boxing gloves provide.

MMA fighters can get in a ring and box with Pro's. Many MMA fighters have professional boxing matches on their resume. Hell even Monson has like a 4-0 professional boxing record. And we all saw how well Monson could throw punches against Sylvia didnt we. Also tons of fighters are kickboxers Kit Cope has quite a few championships actually.

Also the boxers can punch harder and faster comment is also silly. How can you be sure? Do they have a hard punching contest? Or a fast hands contest? Chuck Liddell probably hits as hard as any boxer at 205. Have you ever seen lightwieghts throw down. Their like lighting.

Have you seen Marcus Davis fight? He was a boxer with like a 22-2 professional record. A very good boxer. He doesen't dominate anyone with his hands. Even when Shonie Carter was standing and trading with him he couldn't finish him. He got the better of it but Shonie is an old man compared to Davis.

So basically your completely wrong.

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I dunno. A KO highkick to the face is some pretty impressive "footwork".
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I see where you are coming from but I really don't think it's that big of a deal...it's a nickname. He's the one that will have to live up to it.

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I dunno. A KO highkick to the face is some pretty impressive "footwork".
That's awesome

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