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Old 01-28-2007, 06:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Everyone has an off night. Randlemen beat cro cop remeber. It happens. Who knows maybe o'brian will beat everyone in the ufc even cro cop and become the greatest off all time. Maybe heath will bounce back and destroy everyone. Who knows but to automatically jump on herring after one fight when he has had so many good ones is horrible
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Old 01-28-2007, 06:14 PM   #22 (permalink)
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he's a greasy dude lol...big ol ape, i was disapointed in his performance but i wasnt impressed with obrien either, he aint do no damage but a elbow that would cut anybody
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Old 01-28-2007, 07:00 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Check out Heath's interview on UFC.com. My understanding was that Heath was wearing a knee brace because he had a MCL tear, not an ACL (which would be much worse). Then he just attributed it to ring rust, he also said he went in to Knee obrien's head off just to remember that UFC doesn't allow it.

Also, I think it is very much legal for UFC fighters to literally just run away. That's always been gay IMO, but I"m not sure what else they can do. If you can't outstrike a guy,y ou'd be retarded tog o after him standing(though Chuck convinces so many people to do so)...

Hopefully Herring with come back much stronger and perhaps meet up with O'brien again.
Well if it is legal to run away from your opponent during the stand up portion of MMA, then wouldn't it be legal to run away from the ground as well? I don't think so. I don't think it's legal to not engage in standup simply because you don't know how to trade punches. If you don't know how to trade punches then you shouldn't be fighting in MMA. Heath could have easily just "ran away" from O'Brian's takedowns. Anyone can run away from that shit in the Octagon but no one does and no one wants to see it. You're there to fight, you're there to engage. Do you wanna see every fight where the gyuy with the lesser standup just stands back the whole time cuz he knows he is the less striker? No. Do you wanna see every fight where the guy who has the lesser ground game, simply turns his back and sprints to avoid takedowns? No. Cuz that takes no skill. No one wants to see people run away or not engage. I still think the ref should have told O'Brian to engage in the standup. If you don't know how to fight on your feet then what the hell are you doing in MMA?
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If you can't outstrike a guy,y ou'd be retarded tog o after him standing(though Chuck convinces so many people to do so)...
That is so true about Chuck though in part because you CAN'T take that guy down, I'd like to see O'Brien at 230 lbs try to take and hold down Chuck at 205 lbs, could be interesting, but I'd bet on Chuck knocking O'Brien TFO. Hell Tito was probably 220 when they fought, but Chuck had to be close to that too.

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Old 01-28-2007, 11:08 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Well if it is legal to run away from your opponent during the stand up portion of MMA, then wouldn't it be legal to run away from the ground as well? I don't think so. I don't think it's legal to not engage in standup simply because you don't know how to trade punches. If you don't know how to trade punches then you shouldn't be fighting in MMA. Heath could have easily just "ran away" from O'Brian's takedowns. Anyone can run away from that shit in the Octagon but no one does and no one wants to see it. You're there to fight, you're there to engage. Do you wanna see every fight where the gyuy with the lesser standup just stands back the whole time cuz he knows he is the less striker? No. Do you wanna see every fight where the guy who has the lesser ground game, simply turns his back and sprints to avoid takedowns? No. Cuz that takes no skill. No one wants to see people run away or not engage. I still think the ref should have told O'Brian to engage in the standup. If you don't know how to fight on your feet then what the hell are you doing in MMA?
You make great points...all of which I agree with. What I am unclear on is whether or not the UFC allows running away or not. Check out someone's avatar here of Tito Ortiz running from Wanderlei...and I'm not sure what you mean by running away from the ground. If you mean escaping and regaining distance...I think everyone DOES do that. I personally have always felt running away was actually allowed and while I hate that, id on't see how they can make it illegal to runaway(escape). I mean Monson and Sylvia really weren't goin at it and even though McCarthy scolded them, what did it really matter?
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That is so true about Chuck though in part because you CAN'T take that guy down, I'd like to see O'Brien at 230 lbs try to take and hold down Chuck at 205 lbs, could be interesting, but I'd bet on Chuck knocking O'Brien TFO. Hell Tito was probably 220 when they fought, but Chuck had to be close to that too.

haha yea, but that's why we hate Heath AND O'Brien in this thread. Starts out as Heath hate cuz he failured up his performance, but hten you gotta hate O'Brien for LITERALLY lay n gaying out a win. But hey, if I were O'Brien I would have to do the same thing.
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Everyone has an off night. Randlemen beat cro cop remeber. It happens. Who knows maybe o'brian will beat everyone in the ufc even cro cop and become the greatest off all time. Maybe heath will bounce back and destroy everyone. Who knows but to automatically jump on herring after one fight when he has had so many good ones is horrible
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haha yea, but that's why we hate Heath AND O'Brien in this thread. Starts out as Heath hate cuz he failured up his performance, but hten you gotta hate O'Brien for LITERALLY lay n gaying out a win. But hey, if I were O'Brien I would have to do the same thing.
Yeah I'm not at all an O'Brien fan, based on what he gave us in that fight.

EDIT: Okay true not the big lay and gay like Travis Lutter. O'Brien tried it is true, he got mount and got Herring's back 50 times, he just couldn't submit or beat Herring despite those dominant positions over and over. That was frustrating. It was almost like his full mount was nothing to Herring. Felt like he was shooting blanks is all, perhaps not total lay n gay I admit.

Some people are saying not to judge Herring by that UFN fight, maybe that's a point. I never saw his other fights so that's all I have to go on. I must admit if I judged Matt Hughes by his loss to GSP, or Franklin by his loss to the Spider, or KenFlo... err ferget that that last one

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this is the type of stuff that can kill a career I hope that for his sake they give him a secound chance. Its pretty sad when some one they picked out as a easy win beats you.
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Old 01-29-2007, 07:42 AM   #30 (permalink)
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You make great points...all of which I agree with. What I am unclear on is whether or not the UFC allows running away or not. Check out someone's avatar here of Tito Ortiz running from Wanderlei...and I'm not sure what you mean by running away from the ground. If you mean escaping and regaining distance...I think everyone DOES do that. I personally have always felt running away was actually allowed and while I hate that, id on't see how they can make it illegal to runaway(escape). I mean Monson and Sylvia really weren't goin at it and even though McCarthy scolded them, what did it really matter?
What I meant by running away from the ground is instead of people sprawling avoid the takedown, it would me much easier to just sprint away to avoid it. Tito did do that in the Wandy fight and he has never lived it down. I'm pretty sure it is illegal, I do remember seeing one fight where the guy kept turning his back and running away and the ref talked to him about it. I don't remember at all who it was though. All I meant was if it is okay for O'Brian to basically run away from Heath's standup, then would it be okay for Heath to just run away from O'Brian everytime he tried to take him down? If people were allowed to fight like that, any bum off the street would stand a great chance at beating a quality fighter, but all you would see is running away constantly. It doesn't really matter though, even if O'Brian did try to engage with Heath, Heath prolly still would have lost seeings how he wasn't even attempting to sprawl. So as long as when O'Brian did engage in the standup, he didn't get KOed, he could still go in for the takedown each time. But don't just stand back and let the guy overpursue and THEN take him down. That's just cheap IMO.
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