Originally Posted by Squirrelfighter
Lyoto Machida. Almost ALL of his wins are UDs. He's one of the most dominant LHW fighters in the world. How is not nearly as important as who.
Bader took him down (almost) at will. They were both landing punches. Though Nogeuira did land more punches in combination, he was obviously a more versed stand-up fighter. However in MMA, takedown=victory(for now). I also disagree with Nog rocking him multiple times. The second round I see going either way, Nog's hands were better, but Bader took him down almost on a whim. In the third Bader scored takedowns, as well as almost matched Nog on regularity of punches, though the pace of that round was rather slow. The punch where Bader stuck his tongue out. I've not only seen this done, but done this. Its more a man, that hurt less than I thought it would, adrenaline reaction than a rocked reaction.
Since he didn't beat Hammil...it doesn't matter. His ground skills were very nice and he was winning without question, however he went and performed the same illegal technique a whole buncha times and got disqualified!
comparing machida is just unfair, im not saying decisions arent impressive, you can win by decision and be impressive, machida was, he outstruck all of his oppenents, caused more damage and displayed very good TDD...so how he won actually was impressive also, just a different kind of impressive
now how can you say bader almost took lil nog down at will? theres no almost...it wasnt even close to ''at will'', lil nog stuffed almost all of his TDs in the 2nd and 3rd round...i remember thinking either lil nog has really developed some vey impressive TDD or baders wrestling really isnt what i thought it was
getting a W or a L doesnt mean anything because there are so many things to factor in that W or L...in MMA it can happen in a split second, so the most important thing is the performance leading up to that W or L...thats what determines how good a fighter is
yes, JJ got DQed but no1 can debate that he wasnt destorying hammill and making him look like a bum when hes been on a tear of his own in the UFC
getting a win doesnt mean anything, remeber the duffee knockout? hell remember sherk vs dunham?
you actually would rather bet on bader than JJ just because of his wins over lil nog and jardine??
well, to each his own, i guess we can agree to disagree
...i just really dont think W and L are that important when comparing 2 fighters