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Judo Chop: C.B. Dollaway Gets the Elbow Lift Guillotine

While it's true that UFC 119 was marred by a lousy headlining fight, the undercard included some sparkling action. In particular, C.B. Dollaway's quick submission over veteran Joe Doerksen impressed everyone watching.

With his third submission win, including one using the Peruvian Necktie, Dollaway is showing flashes of evolving into a Matt Hughes or Jake Shields style wrestler/grappler.

As any reader of this series knows, I don't train myself and have no martial arts or sport combat experience whatsoever. As such I'm always on the lookout for bright students of the game who can explain what I'm seeing. Today's guest is Andrew Foster, who has been studying No-Gi submission grappling and BJJ since 2005. He trained at the Chapel Hill Quest Center under Hardee Merritt (purple belt under Royce Gracie) and is currently a blue belt at Evolutiion MMA in Wrightsville Beach, NC. Our BJJ is from the Nova Uniao lineage. My teachers are Jeremy Owens (black belt) and Dave French (brown belt), and Neal Zumbro (brown belt) under BJ Penn's BJJ coach Renato "Charuto" Verissimo.

Here's Andrew describing the guillotine variation that C.B. Dollaway used to such deadly effect against Joe Doerksen:

The hip drop/elbow lift/leg over the shoulder/side crunch/Marcelo Guillotine is absolutely the best variation of the choke in existence. You're squeezing the neck very tight, but the elbow flare and lift pulls the forearm right up into the trachea. It cuts off the blood, and you can sleep from it, but the primary action for this Guillotine is attacking the trachea. Matt Arroyo showed the choke and had a student puke on him. Most people tap immediately. There's really no time to think or ride out the choke once it's on. For someone to be able to even stand the pain for 3-6 seconds to even go to sleep would be a great feet.

The elbow lift accomplishes a few things. It prevents the opponent from bulldozing into you to relieve the pressure. That works with the old-school full guard Guillotine, which I haven't caught anyone with in forever, and I do think it will be phased out as time passes. The elbow lift can also be used to help keep someone on all fours if you are on your knees setting up the choke. Leo Vieira did this beautifully against Ryan Hall at ADCC 2009. Ryan was on his knees in the front headlock, and Leo was on his knees. He lifted the elbow up and over Ryan's back so Ryan couldn't posture up. Then Leo threw the leg over the shoulder and the tap came almost immediately.

The elbow lift also makes it so that the choke can be finished anywhere. In a full guard Guillotine, if your opponent jumps his body to your left side, and you have his head under your right arm, you lose the choke. With the elbow flared up, they are typically completely on the choking side of your body (let's pretend the right side again). If they do manage to jump over you before you can throw your left leg over their back/shoulder, they will still be in the choke as they land. If you finish from the mount, the elbow lift allows you to post your forehead on the mat when finishing from the mount, giving you more stability.

Those are some of the details about the workings of the choke that make it so special. Literally all you have to do is get control of their head, and then get to the front headlock. This Guillotine can be finished from so many positions it's scary. The elbow lift is almost as secure as getting the non-choking arm behind the neck in the Rear Naked Choke.
Let's look at the action in the full entry. We'll also look at how Sean Sherk managed to escape Evan Dunham's guillotine chokes, a grappling battle between Marcelo Garcia and Jake Shields, and Marcelo Garcia and Matt Arroyo demo'ing the choke so effectively that his demo partner vomits.
Usually when i see someone get choked out i kinda think to myself that you probably could have fought it a little longer. Its usually not something that will put your career in jeopardy BUT fighting it a bit longer might help you escape. I think losing a fight when you train so hard and maybe only have 3 of them a year SUCKS REALLY BAD that i myself would try escape for aslong as i can, maybe even go to sleep. This description though the choke sounds pretty painful. Sounds like its similar to someone choking you with 2 thumbs which is such a shitty/panicky feelings that i would probably tap pretty quickly from this choke. Just to clear the airwaves, im not insulting people that tap from chokes.. i actually think its probably smart as-long as you know your not getting out. People that dont tap from arm bars or submissions that can snap your bones i think are very stupid. Just for the fact that its something that could put your career in jeopardy and for sure take you out of fighting for at least 6months if not longer. Also you have a serious pain threshold if you feel your arm snapping and know mentally that you can stop the pain any time you want by tapping but you still chose not to.

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