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Old 10-03-2010, 09:55 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Maybe this isn't as complicated. Bader, in all honesty, doesn't look that good. I'm sure Dana expected him to evolve a little more. I certainly did. He still gasses after round one. Hes shown no real evidence of decent ground and pound. His striking as improved... but not by much at all.

I speculate that Dana expects Bones to win this fight 100%. This will elevate Bones easily into a big fight, due to Baders unbeaten record. And Bader will drop down to gatekeeper status where he belongs. Bader will never hold the belt. Bones certainly can. And also, it stops the big earners: Franklin or Griffen, getting humiliated and losing stock. Thats what I think is going through Danas mind.

What's going through *my* mind is that I don't like Bones and so would like to see him twitching on the canvas.
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Bader is just fresh meat for Jones.

Jones>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bader all day son.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:38 AM   #23 (permalink)
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What's going through *my* mind is that I don't like Bones and so would like to see him twitching on the canvas.
That's interesting, why the dislike for Jones? Comes across as a very likeable, humble and talented young chap. I love watching him fight, and he's not a massive douche, so I'm on the Bones bandwagon. I don't dislike Bader, but he's not the most interesting of fighters, or characters, so I'll definitely be cheering on Bones!
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:48 AM   #24 (permalink)
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That's interesting, why the dislike for Jones? Comes across as a very likeable, humble and talented young chap. I love watching him fight, and he's not a massive douche, so I'm on the Bones bandwagon. I don't dislike Bader, but he's not the most interesting of fighters, or characters, so I'll definitely be cheering on Bones!
Its a funny one. I don't trust Bones. Like his whole persona is a front. Much like Carwin. Much like Rashad. I simply don't believe him when he talks. The fact that they all train at Jacksons is a coincidence, I'm sure.

Strip it all away and I believe Jones is a mean nasty fecker. I honestly do. His body language. The way he fights. I wish he would just be nasty and stop with the humble shit.

Of course, I could be wrong. I've no doubt most of us are wrong when it comes to our opinions of all fighters... seeing as all we have to base said opinions on is the internet interviews and the fights themselves. Not exactly comprehensive!

In other words, I don't like him because I don't like him. Any reasons I give are purely speculative. Completely unreasonable, I know. God bless the internet.
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Maybe this isn't as complicated. Bader, in all honesty, doesn't look that good. I'm sure Dana expected him to evolve a little more. I certainly did. He still gasses after round one. Hes shown no real evidence of decent ground and pound. His striking as improved... but not by much at all.

I speculate that Dana expects Bones to win this fight 100%. This will elevate Bones easily into a big fight, due to Baders unbeaten record. And Bader will drop down to gatekeeper status where he belongs. Bader will never hold the belt. Bones certainly can. And also, it stops the big earners: Franklin or Griffen, getting humiliated and losing stock. Thats what I think is going through Danas mind.

What's going through *my* mind is that I don't like Bones and so would like to see him twitching on the canvas.

This actually makes a lot of sense. I wouldn't have agreed a month ago, but I thought Bader would make much shorter work out of Nog.
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Its a funny one. I don't trust Bones. Like his whole persona is a front. Much like Carwin. Much like Rashad. I simply don't believe him when he talks. The fact that they all train at Jacksons is a coincidence, I'm sure.

Strip it all away and I believe Jones is a mean nasty fecker. I honestly do. His body language. The way he fights. I wish he would just be nasty and stop with the humble shit.

Of course, I could be wrong. I've no doubt most of us are wrong when it comes to our opinions of all fighters... seeing as all we have to base said opinions on is the internet interviews and the fights themselves. Not exactly comprehensive!

In other words, I don't like him because I don't like him. Any reasons I give are purely speculative. Completely unreasonable, I know. God bless the internet.
Fair play. I'm the same with Lyoto Machida. It's weird how often subconscious nuances of someones character can be interpreted in different ways. I guess it's a good thing that we do interpret those mannerisms or actions in different ways, as if we didn't, it'd be a very dull place around here, with everyone liking the same fighters.
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Old 10-03-2010, 11:12 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Maybe this isn't as complicated. Bader, in all honesty, doesn't look that good. I'm sure Dana expected him to evolve a little more. I certainly did. He still gasses after round one. Hes shown no real evidence of decent ground and pound. His striking as improved... but not by much at all.

I speculate that Dana expects Bones to win this fight 100%. This will elevate Bones easily into a big fight, due to Baders unbeaten record. And Bader will drop down to gatekeeper status where he belongs. Bader will never hold the belt. Bones certainly can. And also, it stops the big earners: Franklin or Griffen, getting humiliated and losing stock. Thats what I think is going through Danas mind.

What's going through *my* mind is that I don't like Bones and so would like to see him twitching on the canvas.
This is pretty much all there is to say about this fight. Bader barely got by lil Nog. The fact his bread and butter, his wrestling, didn't even look that dominating while he did it is a huge red flag. Everyone thinks Jones will destroy Bader, and everyone is right.

I'm not sure about the hate for Bones though. I don't pay that much attention to what fighters do or say outside the ring because most of the time I don't really care, but I've never seen anything to suggest he is fake or a jerk. If he is faking his persona, he's doing a damn good job of it, he seems ok to me.
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Jon Jones is going to eat Bader alive....


Than he's gonna pick his teeth with Baders bones...
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That's gives the UFC 3 to 5 months for the Jones/Bader winner to recover/train for VS Machida/Rampage winner at the same time Rua VS Evans is supposed to go down.

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Bader seems to have a more pure form of wrestling, like in the Nog fight, i was getting the impression he feels he is in a wrestling match.
Jones' wrestling on the other hand, feels much more adapted to MMA. He made the transition from pure wrestling to MMA wrestling a lot better imo. It is really hard for his opponents to see his TD coming. He has akward angles, gets a TD from absolutely nothing, does sick throws and once he is on the ground, he starts looking for the best way to hurt you as hard as possible. Crazy elbows, nice guard passing: once he is on the ground he has one mission: destroy you. Whereas Bader feels more comfortable by holding dominant position and scoring points on the ground with some...softer, safer GnP.
It would be interesting to see both of them on their back with the other on top, to see how they would handle the situation.
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Hes done work down there... for sure.

But, then theres always the question of heart. Train all you want, but when you are under some big dude dropping elbows and punches on your head and body, then questions about heart come up.

Both Bader and Bones need these questions answered before I get too excited about either of them.
I'm feeling you.
Neither have been on their back with a big-mad dude dropping bombs and elbows.
I remember Bader won his first fight on TUF by dropping a huge bomb on his opponent. But other than that, it's like i've said. He maked his fights like wrestling matches once he goes to the ground.
Jones on the other hand...you know this kid wants to smash your face with elbows. He is mean. You rather have a bear or a tiger on top of you.
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