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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-30-2007, 02:23 AM Thread Starter
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Losing with Dignity...

I understand that sometimes in order to create interest and hype for a rematch that fighters will minimize their previous loss, blame it on extenuating circumstances, health issues, injuries, etc...to an extent it's always been acceptable in sports I guess. But what is up with the complete and utter nonsense of MMA fans? And MMA fighters for that matter? Isn't anyone capable anymore of saying "Hey tonight he was the better fighter."...what ever happened to losing with dignity and class? It's embarrassing that there is all this crap about people having the flu, or having a torn ACL, etc...a fighter can call off the fight at any time for any reason and if you're stupid enough to fight sick or injured, stupid enough to put your body and your career on the line when you're not 100% then you get what you deserve you dumb schmuck.

And all of you who perpetuate these BS rumours sound like a bunch of schoolgirls worshipping their favorite member of a the latest boyband. All I can say to that is HO-MOs
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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-30-2007, 02:35 AM
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And all of you who perpetuate these BS rumours sound like a bunch of schoolgirls worshipping their favorite member of a the latest boyband. All I can say to that is HO-MOs
hey now...i found an interview when heath sucked on fight night that said he messed up his knee before the fight. i posted it. but in now way was i worshipping heath. he's a b!tch. i was just reporting an interview on an mma site.

that being said, i totally agree.

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I understand that sometimes in order to create interest and hype for a rematch that fighters will minimize their previous loss, blame it on extenuating circumstances, health issues, injuries, etc...to an extent it's always been acceptable in sports I guess. But what is up with the complete and utter nonsense of MMA fans? And MMA fighters for that matter? Isn't anyone capable anymore of saying "Hey tonight he was the better fighter."...what ever happened to losing with dignity and class? It's embarrassing that there is all this crap about people having the flu, or having a torn ACL, etc...a fighter can call off the fight at any time for any reason and if you're stupid enough to fight sick or injured, stupid enough to put your body and your career on the line when you're not 100% then you get what you deserve you dumb schmuck.

And all of you who perpetuate these BS rumours sound like a bunch of schoolgirls worshipping their favorite member of a the latest boyband. All I can say to that is HO-MOs
Dude, what are you talking about? Are you always trying start something? Don't hate on people because they are trying to back their fighter. You don't know if these rumors are true or not, so stfu. If your best friend was in a fight and it was pretty even, but he clearly lost, you wouldn't go around telling everyone he got his ass handed to him, you would back him up and bust out a legitimate excuse that could be true or not. There's always two sides to the story.

I think the real reason fighters fight even though they are injured or sick, is because they love to fight. If you've ever played on any sports team, you ALWAYS want to play, whether you're sick, injured whatever, it dosn't matter you want to play. Same goes with these fighters, they just want to fight to promote themselves so they can become the best. Anyone who is competetive wants to become the best as fast as possible, so why pass up the oppurtunity to show the world why you're #1, or should be? It wouldn't make sense.

They also don't wanna let their fans down. If they don't show for a fight they let every fan that was looking forward to them fight down, which in turn may cause people to hate them. Plus, Dana probably rides there ass like no other to fight even if they ate some bad "pink tacos" the night before and are puking everywhere. He dosn't giving a flying ****, he pays them to fight, so they should be damn ready to fight. This is a career, if you didn't show up to work your boss would be pretty dissapointed, even if you told him in advance.

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I understand that sometimes in order to create interest and hype for a rematch that fighters will minimize their previous loss, blame it on extenuating circumstances, health issues, injuries, etc...to an extent it's always been acceptable in sports I guess. But what is up with the complete and utter nonsense of MMA fans? And MMA fighters for that matter? Isn't anyone capable anymore of saying "Hey tonight he was the better fighter."...what ever happened to losing with dignity and class? It's embarrassing that there is all this crap about people having the flu, or having a torn ACL, etc...a fighter can call off the fight at any time for any reason and if you're stupid enough to fight sick or injured, stupid enough to put your body and your career on the line when you're not 100% then you get what you deserve you dumb schmuck.

And all of you who perpetuate these BS rumours sound like a bunch of schoolgirls worshipping their favorite member of a the latest boyband. All I can say to that is HO-MOs
I am tired of excuses, I mean when Hermes beat Spencer right after people were saying "he wasnt the same Spencer" "Could he have had an injury?" they like refused to give Hermes any credit, only thing they could say was "no way is he gonna beat Sherk"

I guess Spencer Fisher was jumping up and down getting cheap pops from the crowd right before the fight because he was injured.

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This thread could be viewed in two different lights: as a reference to fighters, or as a reference to fans. Since both tacks have been taken, I'll respond to both.

Fighters:

For me, the single most unforgivable transgression a fighter can commit in the Octagon is rattling off excuses as to why they were defeated. 99% of the time, this is done for the sole purpose of a fighter maintaining their ego in spite of recent evidence that it's overwrought. Excuse mongering of this type sickens me - its the mark of a person with a fragile ego unable to accept that there might be someone better out there then themselves. This is why Heath Herring will never be redeemed to me - after the O'Brien fight (after? - during!) Herring started giving reason he lost, as opposed to accepting the fact that O'Brien had won. Look at the way others in the UFC respond to loss - Matt Hughes offered no excuses for his loss to Rush, Rich Franklin did the same after Silva crushed him - even Ken Shamrock - Ken Shamrock, of all people! - stood up like a man after that last Ortiz fight and raised Ortiz's hand in victory. That's class, and to me, that's what epitomizes the best of MMA.

There's other stuff that drives me insane in MMA, but insecure punks flapping their gums about how good they usually are gets to me.

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I can understand why fans make excuses for their fighters - assuming they don't just jump ship at a loss and nut-hug the winner. But it seems to me that if you're a real fan of Georges St. Pierre, Matt Hughes, Ron Van Clif or whoever, you should accept their losses the same way you accept their victories.

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I understand that sometimes in order to create interest and hype for a rematch that fighters will minimize their previous loss, blame it on extenuating circumstances, health issues, injuries, etc...to an extent it's always been acceptable in sports I guess. But what is up with the complete and utter nonsense of MMA fans? And MMA fighters for that matter? Isn't anyone capable anymore of saying "Hey tonight he was the better fighter."...what ever happened to losing with dignity and class? It's embarrassing that there is all this crap about people having the flu, or having a torn ACL, etc...a fighter can call off the fight at any time for any reason and if you're stupid enough to fight sick or injured, stupid enough to put your body and your career on the line when you're not 100% then you get what you deserve you dumb schmuck.

And all of you who perpetuate these BS rumours sound like a bunch of schoolgirls worshipping their favorite member of a the latest boyband. All I can say to that is HO-MOs
You actually started a decent thread the other day, I can't remember what it was but oh well. Here we have the Mr. Bungle that I usually stop to look at the zany oddity avatar for a chuckle while completely skipping anything that remotely looks like text you may have entered on the forum. But I read this one. ugh.... If you want to see a graceful loser, watch UFC 66. His name is Tito Ortiz. You are a big fan aren't you? Yeah, good talk.

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I am tired of excuses, I mean when Hermes beat Spencer right after people were saying "he wasnt the same Spencer" "Could he have had an injury?" they like refused to give Hermes any credit, only thing they could say was "no way is he gonna beat Sherk"

I guess Spencer Fisher was jumping up and down getting cheap pops from the crowd right before the fight because he was injured.
don't be silly...




obviously that's how he injured himself

as for excuses...unfortunately its a part of sports. athletes have huge ego's and go in thinking they can beat anyone and everyone. I think most fighters make up excuses for themselves so they can stay confident knowing that they didn't get beaten on an "even playing field". probably helps them sleep better at night, can't fault them for wanting to get a good nights sleep.
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I understand that sometimes in order to create interest and hype for a rematch that fighters will minimize their previous loss, blame it on extenuating circumstances, health issues, injuries, etc...to an extent it's always been acceptable in sports I guess. But what is up with the complete and utter nonsense of MMA fans? And MMA fighters for that matter? Isn't anyone capable anymore of saying "Hey tonight he was the better fighter."...what ever happened to losing with dignity and class? It's embarrassing that there is all this crap about people having the flu, or having a torn ACL, etc...a fighter can call off the fight at any time for any reason and if you're stupid enough to fight sick or injured, stupid enough to put your body and your career on the line when you're not 100% then you get what you deserve you dumb schmuck.

And all of you who perpetuate these BS rumours sound like a bunch of schoolgirls worshipping their favorite member of a the latest boyband. All I can say to that is HO-MOs

Being a bit general with your comments-
remember Franklin, Quarry, Couture, Pulver, Florian that all lost fairly recently yet showed class.

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If you want to see a graceful loser, watch UFC 66. His name is Tito Ortiz. You are a big fan aren't you? Yeah, good talk.

I was actually quite surprised by the seemingly dignified way Tito reacted to his second defeat by Chuck Liddel...however, I was far less surprised to hear that he is now shooting off his fat B-Level fighter mouth about how the fight was stopped early. I hate Tito Ortiz with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns. I always have. I always will. I wouldn't cross the street to piss on Tito Ortiz if he was on fire.


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Here we have the Mr. Bungle that I usually stop to look at the zany oddity avatar for a chuckle while completely skipping anything that remotely looks like text you may have entered on the forum.
Ouch...that's just mean
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Bungle usually writes crap, but I obviously agree on this one as I started this same argument a few months ago.
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